The Supernatural Is Really Heaven's Natural Laws At Work.

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  1. JAG*

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    "Christianity is magical"__ John Internet Poster

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    Not to be picky, but there is nothing "magical" involved in Christianity's
    supernaturalism.
    There are natural laws in the unseen world and, in my view, one of those
    laws is that physical material reality can be changed and manipulated
    for the good, by thought processes. For example, my view is that when
    Jesus healed people, He was exercising His power to use the natural
    laws of Heaven, to do good here on earth ~ and of course that appears
    to us, in our present condition, to be supernatural. But to Jesus, it was
    natural to have the power to heal human diseases by merely speaking
    words. Even to raise dead people. "Lazarus come out", said the
    Lord Jesus, and Lazarus, who had been dead for four (4) days came out
    of the tomb. (That's in John chapter 11.)

    Jesus merely spoke words to a fig tree and the fig tree instantly died.
    Jesus was using that situation as a teaching moment, to teach His disciples
    how to do things like that ~~ and later on, in the book of Acts, they DID do
    things like that.
    ( Matthew 21:19 tells about the fig tree incident.)

    Thoughts?


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    I generally believe that spirituality is just the “science” that science is not advanced enough to explain yet. I guess another way to put it is that science as we know it is what we have been able to observe and understand of the “natural laws” that god put in place. There is probably far more going on than we can hope to understand at this point, so things that seem “magical” to us are just the universe’s natural laws at work that we just don’t know about yet.
     
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    It may allude to something other than miracles wrought by faith, but rather as a warning: Matthew 21: 43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
     
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    Poor innocent fig tree. Whatever happened to thou shalt not kill eh?
     
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    I agree. 1000 years ago Thunder to many meant God was angry. I do agree, that science is simply laws that must be in place (and consistent) for life to exist.
     
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    And that's why empirical evidence is not needed to have faith, hope and charity (the pure love of Christ). Eventually, if allowed, science will come to understand God more and more. But, I doubt mankind can keep from blowing themselves up long enough to have that happen.
     
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    If I recall the fig tree was nonproductive.
     
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    Really? The fig tree might have produced a nice shape or pleasing shadow. No need for Jesus to speak to it and kill it, cruel if you ask me.
     
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    Why does your heart bleed for a tree?

    Me thinks you simply want to find fault with Christ.
     
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    Whereas, a useless tree in Taoism is saved from the harvesters ax because it is useless. Being useless preserves its life.
     
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    Was it a message from Christ’s camp that thou shalt not kill, and then Jesus makes killing a tree a thing?
    Sounds hypocritical on the surface, but the ‘interpreters’ will weave some kind of scenario to excuse it.
    This is before we consider all those fish that Christ was a part of slaughtering.
     
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    Lame....truly lame.
     
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    Vapid response truly vapid.
     
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    Garbage in, garbage out. Do you own anything made of wood? Perhaps live in a structure composed of much of it?
     
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    I don’t go on about ‘thou shalt not kill’. Do you?
     
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    You're wrong on one thing. Jesus is the natural law of heaven and He gave His powers to heal and perform miracles to His Disciples and the Saints that came after them. That's how Christianity grew - and how it is growing now, when it's being attacked from all sides. The amount of miracles going on right now in certain parts of the world, and especially in Greece are unbelievable.
     
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    All of those miracles were done to teach a spiritual message. It mostly wasn't about improving people's lives on earth but trying to get them to adhere to a different way with the objective of their condition in the life after death.
     
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    Matthew 21:19 And when he saw a fig tree in the way, he came to it, and found nothing thereon, but leaves only, and said unto it, Let no fruit grow on thee henceforward for ever. And presently the fig tree withered away.
    It was all part of the same lesson.
     
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    There is nothing in the the OP that you quoted that denies what you say.

    Best

    JAG

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