The Tea Party is a fraud!

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  1. Third Eyientist

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    Yep! That AstroTurf, Tea Party nonsense is one of the most phoney and corrupt movements to come along.

    And it's pretty clear, that the 99% aren't going to lay down and ignore the phonies. This past November, enough of those same people (REAL grassroots Americans) got out and voted; it made a world of difference in the Presidential election.
     
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    How exactly is a belief in smaller government and less taxes a fraud?
     
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    ^I'd like to know this too.
     
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    The fraud is that the Tea Party is for small government and less taxes..... My opinion of course....
     
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    We are.

    If your not then your not really a Tea Party member.
     
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    I'm a libertarian and the Tea Party is not for small government. Shall I elaborate or should we wait for some of the other Libertarians?
     
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    From what I've seen overall, those driving/steering the Tea Party, are more about manipulation of American opinion, rather than looking out for the best interests of Americans.
     
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    Sure it is.

    Like I said, if your not for small government then your not really a Tea Party person and are just using that moniker to try and drum up votes. We've thrown out many republicans who thought they were Tea Party and then showed they weren't.
     
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    There is no one driving or steering the Tea Party, its a belief, not a political organization.
     
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    Do you think that the Tea Party is trying to drive social issues? If so, why? As you can see, I haven't even mentioned the way fiscal issues have worked out so far.
     
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    Not my group that I belong to.

    Certainly social issues are important to anyone but when I ask a guy at a rally if he's a Tea Party member I only know one thing about him. He's for smaller goverment and less taxes.

    That's it.

    We may have other things in common or not but they are secondary to that one driving issue. In my group which meets once every other month we have homosexuals, pro-choice, anti-gun people just as much as traditional conservatives. We all have the goal of less taxes and smaller government as our primary goal however.

    Some groups may focus more on social issues but ours doesn't. We don't all think the same way.
     
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    You can research it if you wish. I'll just say, follow the money.
     
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    So, why wouldn't you just join the Libertarians? The Tea Party is just a front for Republicans.
     
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    Why do I need to research it when I'm part of it?

    I'm actually there doing it. Am I gonna research myself?

    lol
     
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    Tea Party is not a front for republicans, we actually toss as many of them out as we do democrats.

    And libertarians want total open borders to answer your first part of the question. We tend to be more traditional so you won't find many among us that support that position.
     
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    I would certainly encourage you to...
     
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    Traditional? Go on, please....
     
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    Hmmm perhaps that wasn't the best word.

    My group at least wants minimal government interference which will lead to minimal taxes to pay for it. Some things, of course, you need the government to do but many things it does should be left up to the States so we can better regulate it through voting policy. Its a bit harder to change things once they are at the Federal level.
     
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    Does minimal government include big government at the border? Just checking....
     
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    You mean immigration law?

    Yes immigration benefits from national oversight if they allow and support States to enforce it. Each State knows the problems they face better than Congress does and each are best suited to handle it in their own way. However immigration does affect the whole country so overall policy should be written by Congress.
     
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    Not really. The GOP is no longer much of a conservative party. The Tea Party is just a back to basics movement for traditional conservatives who are not being represented at the government level and have not been for quite some time. It's a very large silent majority that is tired of being ignored. Now you can take that pretentious libertarian attitude of "Look at me! I'm more punk rock than you because I believe in even less government!" if you want. But that doesn't make the Tea Party a big government group just for having an opinion on social issues. Because it's all relative. To an anarchist, you look like a fascist. And the Tea Party only believes in about a dime's worth more government than you do.

    I'm a little surprised to see you post something this boneheaded. I seem to remember most of your posts in the past being quite good. This is out of chracter for you.
     
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    Don't call me out bro. You know for a fact that the tea party candidates have sold out for sure....
     
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    Very well said.

    It is true that the republicans no longer represent conservative values which is why we have somewhat organized into splinter cells to try and get people more closely aligned with our beliefs into office. Why people consider working within the system to effect change is a bad thing is beyond me.

    This is how and why our system of government was designed the way it was.
     
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    Sold out who?
     

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