The thief on the cross.

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    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    When Jesus died he went to hell. Is that paradise? It seems that he was a joker to the end.
     
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    According to the Bible he went to Hades, which at that time had a bad side and a good side. The good side aka Abraham's bosom was also referred to as paradise. Most denominations believe that Abraham, and others from the good side of Hades were taken to heaven after Jesus visited them there. Either way they thief went to paradise after he died.
     
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    Hades is a Greek idea. Hell is a Christian idea. Paradise is an Islamic idea.
     
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    I think that your answer is exceptionally good and I have been wondering about how that works for many years!

    I really like how near death experiencer Dr. George Ritchie describes the four levels of the afterlife that Messiah Yeshua - Jesus showed him during his 1943 near death experience.

    https://www.near-death.com/experiences/notable/george-ritchie.html
     
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    if you say so.
     
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    Hades is, most definitely, a pre-Christian Greek pagan idea. That part isn't really up for debate
     
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    Ok. Let's not debate it.
     
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    Hades is a Greek idea but the best term used as an interpretation of the Jewish term sheol. It was thus widely used by the Jews back in Jesus' days whenever Greek was spoken. Hell is an English (or dutch) term used to express the same. At the same time it actually has a broader meaning of extending sheol to its final state. The Jews believed that sheol in the end will be thrown to the lake of fire. The term hell thus bears the meaning of "sheol in lake of fire" which is a burning hell.
     
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    Yes, I know Sheol and Hades refer to the same thing. Sheol was known to Jews way back in the OT. It does not matter which word they chose to use when speaking in Greek. The lake of fire is hell, and not the same thing as Sheol/Hades. No one is in hell today.
     
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    Why do you believe in ancient ethnocentric religious fairy tales?
     
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    I believe God is real. I can't change it. He has persuaded me.

    Can you choose to believe 2+2=5?
     
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    So you believe in Yahweh, the God of the Hebrews and the God of the armies.
     
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    Why say 'Yahweh', when you can just say God. Yes, the Hebrew God is same as the God Christians believe in.
     
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    Actually the correct name is *Jealous*.

    Exodus 34:14 (KJV) = For thou shalt worship no other god: for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:

    99.9999999% of Christians are clueless about the favorite ethnocentric Middle Eastern religion.
     
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    Feel free to call Him anything you want.
     
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    We are saved by grace through faith In Jesus Christ. Now, faith is a complex thing. It involves the entire person: their intellects, emotions and wills. Understanding is the intellectual part of faith. Trust is the emotional part of faith, and identity is the volitional part of faith. To the extent that one understands a thing, trusts that thing and identifies with that thing; that one has faith in that thing.

    It takes a vanishingly insignificant measure of faith in Jesus Christ to be saved from the penalty for sin. Jesus referred to the measure of faith required to a mustard seed. C. S. Lewis referred to it as "mere Christianity". You see, it really doesn't matter how much or how little faith one has in Jesus Christ, for salvation from the penalty for sin, as long as all of your faith is in Jesus.

    It may take only a "mustard seed" of faith to be saved, but it does take a whole mustard seed. A mustard seed is a very tiny seed, but it grows into one of the largest plants in the garden. However, if you took a tiny pair of scissors and somehow cut that tiny seed in half, and then planted it, it would not grow. Even though a mustard seed is a very tiny, it does require an entire mustard seed. The same is true of faith.
     
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    Don't you like your God's name? It is *Jealous*.

    Exodus 34:14 (KJV) = *For thou shalt worship no other god: for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:*
     

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