The Tragic Story of a Boy turned into a Girl

No, he went on to lay the foundation for today's gender studies. He is a hero to supporters of gender fluidity.

 

Which has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with LBGT RIGHTS!

 

More asinine DEFLECTIONS!

What LBGT RIGHTS are involved in this odious case of MEDICAL MALPRACTICE?

 

Another massive load of bovine excrement!

LBGT RIGHTS were NOT infringed by that case of MEDICAL MALPRACTICE!

The OP is attempting to MISREPRESENT the LBGT community with a case of MEDICAL MALPRACTICE that had NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with them.

 

Why does that not surprise me?

 

I think this story very clearly does touch, in some indirect ways, on the T in LBGT.
And this section is, as you should well know, not merely just about LBGT rights but about LBGT issues.
The two are inseparably related, in some ways. The same way abortion issues (women suffering horrendously after an abortion, for example) are related to abortion rights.

So nice try, but this thread isn't going anywhere.

 

I don't even understand how you could ask that question in light of recent threads like this and this:
Texas dad blocked by court from stopping gender transition of 7-year-old son
They're starting them young

 

Thank you for establishing that the OP is in the WRONG THREAD since there are ZERO LBGT "issues" in the OP!

 

That is probably the most accurate thing you have posted so far!

There is ZERO CONNECTION between the MEDICAL MALPRACTICE in the OP and the COURT CASE in TX.

Grasping at straws exposes DESPERATION!

 

I'll kindly ask the moderators reading this to ignore Derideo_Te 's thinly veiled and disingenuous attempt to get this discussion shut down.

Derideo_Te, the connection and appropriateness for being in this section has been more than adequately explained to you, so now it seems like you're just trying to derail the discussion in this thread with loud shouting.

 

Another massive load of DISINGENUOUS bovine excrement!

NOWHERE have I attempted to either "shut down" or "derail" anything at all!

I clearly STIPULATED that the OP is a case of MEDICAL MALPRACTICE which means that this is the WRONG FORUM to be discussing it.

FURTHERMORE I politely recommended that the OP ask for this thread to be moved to the APPROPRIATE health forum instead.

NOT ONCE has the OP been able to establish that there is any CREDIBLE connection with the OP and ANYTHING at all to do with GENUINE LBGT issues or rights.

That the OP has now resorted to DISINGENUOUS allegations says volumes.

The INTENTION to DISPARAGE the LBGT community is the blatantly OBVIOUS REASON why the OP posted that MEDICAL MALPRACTICE story in this forum.

 

And it's other things as well.

I happen to believe that the "Gay & Lesbian Rights" area is the most appropriate section for this discussion. This section in this forum formerly went under the name "LGBT Issues". So it's the right area.

Not only that, but half the "medical malpractice" that took place in this story is very much related to, what we would now call Trans issues.

 

I'll be addressing his longer post later, but I would say that he has placed this thread in the appropriate section. While medical malpractice is a major part of the issue, it is one that centers around transgender issues, and well as those of gender vs sex. Now that doesn't mean I agree with all his points, but I do think he choose an appropriate sections, although the medical one would worked just as well.

 

You still haven't explained why it's not medical malpractice if the young child chooses it.

(I'll take it by your evasion of an answer that you support that)

If you defend removal of a child's testicles and construction of a vagina, then this is clearly not just an issue about medical malpractice but one about trans issues. (or at least one very much related to it)

 

As noted, I will address the longer post later, but I can get these shorter ones in now.

The big difference here is that Bruce/David was being forced to be other than what he saw himself as. He was male and others tried to force him to be female. He was a cis male. In a transgender's case, they are opposite their body, and want to change. Holding them back is doing to them what was done to Bruce/David. Now that doesn't mean that the surgical changes should happen before adulthood. But trying to force a transgender to conform to their body is no different than trying to force a cis gender to conform to the opposite gender.

 

FLAMEBAITING PF Rule Violation ignored for derogatory reasons!

Bovine excrement STRAWMAN since I have NEVER defended anything of the sort and it is a CANARD to fallaciously allege that I have.

That is YOUR MISREPRESENTATION of the MEDICAL MALPRACTICE since there was NEVER any INTENTION by Bruce Reimer to ever WANT to be transgendered.

That you are FORCING this issue upon this forum EXPOSES the nefarious agenda of those that oppose the LBGT community.

 

He should be regarded as a monster. The forcing of the sexual acts alone he did on those kids is enough for that. Even if he was correct, which he wasn't, no one should ever do the things he did to David and his brother as he did.

 

Fair is fair. At no point has he tried to shut this thread down. He has tried to have it place in what he considers an appropriate forum. The fact that you use strawman arguments like this, makes any other arguments you use look even more disingenuous than normal.

 

Given those allegations Dr Money does appear to be a sick pervert.

What is appalling is that there are those who are disingenuously trying to associate perverts like him with the LBGT community.

 

It does deal with the transgender issue, because the source of the transitioning was based upon the idea that gender is taught vs innate, a core argument in the transgender issue.

 

I'm not willing to give "pervert" to him. He wasn't doing what he did out of sexual pleasure for himself. He had an ideal and took it too far to prove it. And while he may have perverted medical ethics, your usage.seem to put the word in an sexual context

 

The FALLACY that "the idea that gender is taught vs innate" is used to DISPARAGE and DEMEAN the LBGT community.

That needs to be called out and EXPOSED for what it actually is rather than being given "legitimacy" that is does NOT deserve.

 

I am referring to the allegations that Dr Money forced the boys to perform sex acts that you used to label him as a "monster".

That reeks of sexual perversion above and beyond what could be considered any sane and reasonable form of therapy.

 

The very argument is whether or not the LBGT are legitimate/innate or are taught to be that way. That is what the debate has been ever since LBGT's have started coming out and accepting themselves and asserting they are just as natural and normal (not statistically speaking) as cis heteros.

This book, BTW, actually lend credibility to the idea the being LBGT is innate. If it was a nurture condition (for lack of better term ATM), then Brenda would have accepted the conversion.