The Truth about Immigration

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    NONSENSE

    YOU SHOULD


    Overview of Immigrant Eligibility for Federal Programs

    The major federal public benefits programs have long excluded some non–U.S. citizens from eligibility for assistance. Programs such as the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP, formerly known as the Food Stamp Program), nonemergency Medicaid, Supplemental Security Income (SSI), and Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) and its precursor, Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC), were largely unavailable to undocumented immigrants and people in the United States on temporary visas.

    https://www.nilc.org/issues/economic-support/overview-immeligfedprograms/
     
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    And all that happened in two years? That's the point - LFPR dropped dramatically in two years.
     
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    Controversy



    Jason Richwine

    Borjas was the primary advisor to Jason Richwine, whose Harvard dissertation concluded that Latino immigrants to the U.S. are and will remain less intelligent than "native whites." Borjas claimed that he "played no role in topic selection or forming the research agenda" for Richwine's dissertation, but some social science scholars noted it could be problematic for a dissertation advisor to fail to challenge a student's topic selection. Borjas later said that he did not "find the IQ academic work all that interesting".


    Mariel boatlift research[edit]
    In 2017, an analysis of Borjas' study on the effects of the Mariel boatlift concluded that Borjas' findings "may simply be spurious" and that his theory of the economic impact of the boatlift "doesn't fit the evidence."

    A number of other studies concluded the opposite of what Borjas' study had found.

    Borjas denied that he had misconstrued the data, calling the controversy "fake news." Borjas furthermore suggested that one of the economists, Michael Clemens, whose study challenged Borjas' was motivated by the political bias of "Silicon Valley" philanthropists who contribute to the Center for Global Development where Clemens works, accusing Clemens of being a paid shill of "open-borders plutocrats", and saying that "they wouldn’t buy or commission research that didn’t fit their priors." Nobel laureates Abhijit V. Banerjee and Esther Duflo wrote of the debate that Borjas's analysis omitted comparisons to relevant groups for no clear reason.


    In August 2017, the Trump administration, while defending its plan to reduce levels of legal immigration to the United States by 50%, cited Borjas' research on the Mariel boatlift as evidence that low-skilled immigration reduced wages for American workers. Fact-checkers noted that Borjas' research on the Mariel boatlift was rebutted by other researchers and has received "major criticisms".

    That same month in The Atlantic when asked about the academic community's suppression of data showing immigration's potential costs, Borjas said there's “a lot of self-censorship among young social scientists.” Donald Davis, an economist and immigration advocate, responded stating, “George and I come out on different sides of policy on immigration, but I agree that there are aspects of discussion in academia that don’t get sort of full view if you come to the wrong conclusion.”

    The extent to which immigration is a detriment or boon to the American economy continues to be hotly debated.

    Economic Job Market Rumors forum


    After a peer-review scandal was revealed on the website, in June 2016, Borjas praised the discourse on the Economics Job Market Rumors as being "refreshing": "There’s still hope for mankind when many of the posts written by a bunch of over-educated young social scientists illustrate a throwing off of the shackles of political correctness and reflect mundane concerns that more normal human beings share: prestige, sex, money, landing a job, sex, professional misconduct, sex..."

    2017 paper found evidence of outright hostility towards women on the website. When asked about the paper, Borjas said, "While there is some value in that forum, there is also a great deal that is offensive and disturbing. The problem is I’m not sure exactly where to draw line." According to Brad DeLong, "the only economics professor of any ideology or university I can recall ever praising EJMR is George Borjas."
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_J._Borjas#Controversy


     
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    Since the peak in January 2000, the national LFP rate has fallen gradually from 67 percent to 63 percent in January 2020. Both male and female LFP fell between 2000 and 2020, with female LFP falling 2.3 percentage points during that period and male LFP falling 5.8 percentage points.
     
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    MORE BS

    This week, as President Trump comes out in support of a bill that seeks to halve legal immigration to the United States, his administration is emphasizing the idea that Americans and their jobs need to be protected from all newcomers—undocumented and documented. To support that idea, his senior policy adviser Stephen Miller has turned to a moment in American history that is often referenced by those who support curbing immigration: the Mariel boatlift of 1980. But, in fact, much of the conventional wisdom about that episode is based on falsehoods rooted in Cold War rhetoric.

    During a press briefing on Wednesday, journalist Glenn Thrush asked Miller to provide statistics showing the correlation between the presence of low-skill immigrants and decreased wages for U.S.-born and naturalized workers. In response, Miller noted the findings of a recent study by Harvard economist George Borjas on the Mariel boatlift, which contentiously argued that the influx of over 125,000 Cubans who entered the United States from April to October of 1980 decreased wages for southern Florida’s less educated workers. Borjas’ study, which challenged an earlier influential study by Berkeley economist David Card, has received major criticisms. A lively debate persists among economists about the study’s methods, limited sample size and interpretation of the region’s racial categories—but Miller’s conjuring of Mariel is contentious on its own merits.
    https://time.com/4888381/immigration-act-mariel-boatlift-history/


    Trump, GOP senators introduce bill to slash legal immigration levels

    The legislation seeks to reduce the annual distribution of green cards awarding permanent legal residence to just over 500,000 from more than 1 million. Trump promised on the campaign trail to take a harder line on immigration, arguing that the growth in new arrivals had harmed job opportunities for American workers.

    ...Meanwhile, the Justice Department has begun laying the groundwork to potentially bring legal challenges against universities over admissions policies that could be deemed to discriminate against white students.


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...oduce-bill-to-slash-legal-immigration-levels/

    NO PAYWALL
    https://archive.ph/RrQYX
     
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    So, a high percentage of those that showed up for first hearing showed up again? What was the first time show up rate.
     
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    • 96% of nondetained immigrants represented by a lawyer attended all of their hearings.


    “The findings of this timely report confirm what many of us formerly on the immigration bench have known for years: represented asylum seekers appearing before fair, knowledgeable judges show up for virtually all of their immigration court hearings,” said Paul Wickham Schmidt, former immigration judge and board member for the Board of Immigration Appeals. “The findings refute one of the many ‘big lies’ and ‘bogus narratives’ promoted by the last administration to demean and dehumanize asylum seekers and wrongfully deprive them of their legal and constitutional rights. The Biden administration should pursue changes that would provide immigration judges greater independence and discretion and support the creation of an independent structure for the immigration courts.”
    https://www.americanimmigrationcoun...vernment-data-reveal-immigrants-do-show-court

    From fiscal 2013 through 2017, asylum applicants received deportation orders “in absentia” in 6 percent to 11 percent of cases per year, according to the most recent statistics yearbook from the Justice Department’s Executive Office for Immigration Review. The term “in absentia” is used when someone didn’t show up to court.
    https://www.justice.gov/eoir/page/file/1107056/download#page=34




     
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    Right, I have to learn something.

    Meanwhile you voted for the corpse that has caused all of our current issues.

    Keep fighting with those who oppose your views, it's working out nicely for you.
     
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    Right, I have to learn something.

    Meanwhile you voted for the corpse that has caused all of our current issues.

    Keep fighting against those who oppose your views, it's working perfectly for you.
     
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    And you should go to a welfare office near you and take a good look.

    Do you really think they are letting illegals into our country ILLEGALLY, and only then start to impose our laws on them?

    The laws written on the government websites are not the same laws being enforced on the current ILLEGALS crossing the border.

    It just blows my mind that people like you could be ok with illegals (who have contributed nothing to our country) getting better treatment than your own kids after you have worked so hard all your life.
     
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    I haven't ignored anybody. Illegal activity should be addressed wherever it happens. It gets tricky, though. Offspring of illegals who are U.S. born are still illegal and have no green cards. Yet they should be able to get a job and work. The problems always go back to the illegal immigration. Fixing the illegal immigration is the only way to fix its consequences.
     
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    Says the man with no solutions to the man investing years and thousands of dollars in solutions right now.
    The actual "far right" (which is hardly the right at all) would be extremists, far from center of the position of the general right, and the general right would like to see it cease to exist..
    However the" far left" seems to be quite close to the center position of the general left- and the general left is comfortable with that.

    Denial is the way that is accomplished; they just tell themselves that others are evil so it's OK to do evil. Comfortable with it.
     
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    The info was picked up from a google search for the subject, not a selection of any source, and there are dozens of reports with the same story. They are reporting facts from the DHS, not making assumptions or peddling political bias.

    The only notable thing in the reporting of this story is the absence of it in left wing media; it's not reporting this anywhere- but we are used to them screening out any inconvenient truths, so as to control the information diet and minds of their followers. They are the people feeding you filtered, modified versions of news to cultivate your illusions.

    Here's a few more of the dozens of media resources reporting the same story. Pick one. Tell us how they are all fakes.

    https://ussanews.com/2022/09/19/exclusive-venezuela-releases-all-violent-criminals-and-sends-them-to-us-border-says-dhs-report/
    https://theatlasnews.co/politics/2022/09/20/venezuela-releases-prisoners-to-u-s-border/
    https://www.foxnews.com/video/6312590922112
    https://brutalproof.net/2022/09/venezuela-emptying-prisons-sending-violent-prisoners-to-u-s-border/
    https://republicbroadcasting.org/ne...-and-sending-dangerous-convicts-to-us-border/
    https://thepostmillennial.com/viole...ant-caravans-after-release-from-prison-report
    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...prisons-sending-dangerous-convicts-us-border/
     
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    Where to begin addressing the nonsense. I'll keep it short. Regarding your last statement. Pure fiction.

    Research Summary. Using a database of 30 million profiles, Zippia estimates demographics and statistics for Qualcomm. Our estimates are verified against BLS, Census, and current job openings data for accuracy. After extensive research and analysis, Zippia's data science team found that:

    • Qualcomm has 41,000 employees.

    • 28% of Qualcomm employees are women, while 72% are men.

    • The most common ethnicity at Qualcomm is White (40%), followed by Asian (28%) and Hispanic or Latino (18%).

    • Qualcomm employees are most likely to be members of the democratic party.

    • On average, employees at Qualcomm stay with the company for 5.8 years.

    • The average employee at Qualcomm makes $111,934 per year.
    Qualcomm Number of Employees, Statistics, Demographics, and Facts - Zippia
     
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    Again, you are using fear. Second, in Venezuela,. one who can be jailed is one who can disagree with the government. Or one who killed one of the members of the execution squad members in a drunken rage. And the list goes on. The point is more facts are needed before I will accept gross generalizations you are attempting to present here. Furthermore, just because they were in jail in a place like Venezuela or Cuba or anywhere else may not mean all are die harden, criminals. Some are, and some aren't because of politics. And that is why we have our vetting processes before we let them in.

    So again, more fear-mongering by RW media outlets from Fox and off websites that piggyback from major websites.
     
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    For starters, the Asian category can include people from the country of India, not just China, Korea, Japan, or even Indonesia. It can also include Filipino who tend to have Hispanic last names as well.

    Qualcomm is a company with multiple locations. He was speaking of San Diego specifically which is probably where most of their IT department research is located with San Diego also to be its headquarters. Your statistics are based on an entire company profile of 191 locations located throughout the world. It does not delve into specifics for each office location, now does it. Second, with India, it does make sense because India does have some of the best computer education colleges and universities in the world with their skills in the up-to-date, modern world environment. Not so much here where IT degrees are a dime a dozen and pretty much standardized throughout our university system.
     
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    And you should too because a vast plurality are white, caucasian Americans.

    From the link, it states, "Many different ethnicities receive SNAP benefits: White Americans make up the largest share (37 percent), followed by Black Americans (26 percent), Hispanic Americans (16 percent), Asian Americans (3 percent) and Native Americans (2 percent)."
     
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    The better questions are who did you vote for or did you vote at all?
     
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    To the bolded above, So what?

    As for the rest of your post, the poster above claimed something that was not true. He wrote, "On skilled jobs, take QualComm, most of their tech employees are from India. they have a few thousand of them in San Diego. Okay, where are the Americans? There aren't any."

    I provided information that proves he is incorrect. The poster wrote that Qualcomm does not employ Americans. They do. Going by what he wrote, I better tell my American neighbor who works for Qualcomm that he isn't an American. :laughing::lol::laughing:
     
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    Can't help it if you refuse to accept reality. Those people Death Sentence and Abbott illegally kidnapped and dumped, were LEGAL as asylum seekers, BTW


    Can you get Obama care if you are undocumented?

    Are undocumented immigrants eligible for ACA coverage? No. Although the ACA provides benefits to U.S. citizens and lawfully present immigrants alike, it does not directly provide any benefits for undocumented immigrants


    '' immigrants living in the U.S. without legal status are not eligible for federal benefits such as food stamps''


    Can I get CalFresh (California) If I am undocumented?


    Unfortunately, no. Undocumented individals are not eligible for CalFresh. If you are undocumented and have children or other household members who have citizenship or eligible immigrant status, you can apply for them.

    Can illegal immigrants get food stamps in NY?

    Undocumented immigrants cannot get most state and federal public benefits, but these benefits are still available to their citizen children. For example, if you are an undocumented immigrant, you are not eligible for Food Stamps, but you can apply for Food Stamps for your citizen children.
     
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    Those are called US CITIZENS

    The ONLY way to fix UNDOCUMENTED from coming to the US is to go after the EMPLOYERS who are bringing them here. Of course we should be looking at helping other nations in crisis (Venezuela, Cuba to name 2), to help stop the flow
     
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    BS, Ronnie Reagan would be a RINO today, how far right the Klowns have went the past 20+ years
     
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    May not be fake but sure are farrrr right

    THE ACTUAL SOURCE AS THE POSDTER SAID

    This Sunday, September 18, Breitbart released an exclusive reporting that Venezuela’s socialist regime, led by dictator Nicolás Maduro, is emptying its prisons to send dangerous criminals across the border to the United States.
    https://elamerican.com/venezuelan-regime-sends-criminals-to-the-u-s-through-its-border-report-says/

    ''A recent Department of Homeland Security intelligence report received by the Border Patrol instructs agents to look for Venezuelan inmates released from entering the U.S., according to a source within CBP. The report, reviewed by Breitbart Texas, indicates the Venezuelan government, under the leadership of Nicolás Maduro Moros, is purposely freeing inmates — including some convicted of murder, rape, and extortion.'
    '
    https://www.breitbart.com/border/20...nds-violent-criminals-to-u-s-says-dhs-report/


    HELL THAT PROVES IT'S TRUE *SHAKING HEAD*

    TRY TO DO BETTER
     
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    San Diego’s Qualcomm is the fifth-largest user of H-1B talent
    More than half of entrants are in computer-related fields, mostly from India
    https://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2013/jan/09/citylights1-engineers-dislike-h1b-bosses-gloat/


    Qualcomm engineers get axed, then train foreign replacements
    H-1B visa program steals Americans’ jobs
    https://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2016/mar/30/citylights-engineers-axed-train-replacements/
     
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    No one wants to stop immigration. We have been bringing in around a million people every year. We take people from every corner of the earth to give everyone a chance of the American dream. But we also try and bring some with skills America needs. We are in a war, an economic war with the world's industrial nations. It's vital we keep doing like we are, or we'll lose that war and jobs. Other nations will come out with the new inventions and America will be left far behind. Even now with all the teachers we have here, we import many math teachers from India, along with many doctors. We need more mechanics, welders, scientist and we need people without many skills to do a lot of the lower paying blue collar jobs. That was working out pretty good till just lately. Even when Hillary was running for President, she said we need to control our border, with a barrier of some kind. Most Americans agreed. But not know. Biden says we can take in two million a year in a heart beat and now the Left goes right along with it. I don't hear anyone complain. Why is that? What has changed so much in just a short time? Biden has more or less thrown open the Southern border where anyone from low skilled people, drug traffickers, child traffickers, gangsters and terrorist can easily cross over. How is that good for America? How does that allow us to compete in this new industrial world? I'd like to know what goes through Democratic heads that they go right along with what ever their Party says and does. It makes no sense to me at all.
     

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