The Truth about Immigration

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  1. Zorro

    Zorro Well-Known Member

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    This isn't dodgeball.
    i) Want OUR Legislature's laws to be obeyed,
    is not equal to
    ii) Against all immigration, legal or otherwise.

    You are pretending that i) = ii) which could be initially an honest mistake, but, after having the error called to your attention, rather than simply fessing up and correcting it in good faith, now you are tap dancing about Presidential Desire? The Constitution does not grant the power over naturalization to the President in Article II, rather, it solely invests this power to Congress in Article I.

    Article I, Section 8, Clause 4:
    The Congress shall have Power to establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization.

    Do you also think that The President and The Congress are synonyms? Rather than separate branches of the Federal Government with SEPERATE powers?

    Biden was a member of Congress, so was Obama, if they wanted to be Legislators and craft immigration law, they are free to run for that office. But, if they instead seek the Presidency, and want to act in accordance with their oath, then their duty in our Liberal Constitutional Democracy is to EXECUTE the immigration law passed by Congress.

    You claim in your topic title to be a teller of truth on this topic, I urge you to follow through on that very right commitment.
     
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  2. Lucky1knows

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    Once again, lets talk reality.

    We all WANT our laws to be obeyed but how often does that happen? How often do people "use" the loopholes that are there?

    We already have laws to address that, as well as punishment for it. Nonetheless, we also have the legal fact that to impose the punishment, it has to be proven "without a shadow of a doubt" and that is usually close to impossible to do that. Trump is the "PERFECT" example of that.

    This is a problem that no one (Democrats or Republicans) have been able to ever solve. That is a reality. As such, what do you expect me to do? How would my agreement to your points do anything.

    I am NOT saying you are wrong. I am saying "we (you and I) cannot solve the problem". Why would you continue to talk about it?
     
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    Fake news. Trump's border was massively more secure than Biden's. Trump simply followed the law.

    Even Obama followed the law more faithfully than Biden has, and following the LAW resulted in a more lawful outcome, no surprise there:

    Since Joe Biden took office, over 3.5 MILLION illegal immigrants have been apprehended at our southern border.

    There were a TOTAL of 3.4 million illegal crossings over the course of both terms of the Obama administration.

    In less than two years, Biden, who makes no effective attempt to follow the law, has had more illegals in less than two years than Obama had in 8.

    That equals the population of SIX ENTIRE US STATES.

    In July, there were 199,976 illegal immigrant encounters at our southern border. That is a 388% increase in illegal crossings compared to the last July of President Trump’s administration.

    Are you arguing that any law that cannot be enforced perfectly shouldn't exist? That would be effectively an argument for anarchy.

    Because of Biden’s Border Crisis, fentanyl is now the leading cause of overdose death, and overdose deaths hit an all-time high last year.

    There have now been 66 suspected terrorists apprehended so far in FY22 – more than double the previous five years combined.

    Wait until Latinos vote majority GOP AND THEN WATCH YOU FOLKS ALL PROMPTLY REVERSE YOUR ARGUMENTS!
     
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    Show me where I have stated that any one president was better or worse than the other! My statement was that "no one has been able to SOLVE" the problem. In addition, when you make such a statement as you have done, you need to include the costs of being better. Everything in life has consequences and benefits and the way you make any statement is after you consider both. Hey, Hitler was very successful in getting rid of the Jew problem in Germany. Was the cost worth it?
     
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    So the guy who claims his topic is the "truth", equates:

    i) A desire to enforce immigration law, with a desire to stop all immigration, legal or illegal, and

    ii) Equates enforcing OUR immigration law, passed by OUR elected legislations, with one of the bloodiest dictators in human history's lawless slaughter of 6 million Jews?

    I find it wholly unbelievable that any rational person would hold that either i) or ii) were true, and, I doubt that you are irrational, therefore, I have no idea why you would put forward such arguments as if they were serious rational positions.
     
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    My available sources are all in my computer files.
    The specifics get pretty murky but effective oversight and regulation of derivatives as financial instruments began with Dodd-Frank in 2010, and wasn't implemented until 2012. Ironic that Dodd's name is on the regulatory bill that he filibustered against in the mid 2000s
     
  7. JonK22

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    Yes Covid stopped many. AND?


    The US saw years where over 1.5+ million a year were caught illegally crossing, check out the 1990's

    If Biden isn't stopping the undocumented, how are ICE arresting them and sending them back? Except for the LEGAL asylum seekers?

    The Drug Overdose Toll in 2020 and Near-Term Actions for Addressing It

    Synthetic Opioids Including Fentanyl Helped Drive Record-High Overdose Deaths in 2020
    https://www.commonwealthfund.org/bl...toll-2020-and-near-term-actions-addressing-it

    WOW WHAT WAS TRUMP DOING THEN ABOUT IT?



     
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    Oh I get it, Barney Frank minority member of the GOP House where he had zero power when Dubya "wanted" to regulate Fannie/Freddie (which he already did, actually putting his college roommate in charge of it) stopped those nice GOP members from passing regulation of F/F?

    And Chriss Dodd blocked McCain and Dubya's attempt's at regulating the derivatives market?


    You talking this:

    The Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000 (CFMA) is United States federal legislation that ensured financial products known as over-the-counter (OTC) derivatives remained unregulated.

    Hmm who had Congress in 2000? Wasn't that Phil Gramms deal?


    In 2000, Senator Phil Gramm played a central role in writing the Commodity Futures Modernization Act, a law that would open the door to unregulated trading of credit default swaps, the financial instruments blamed, in part, for the current economic meltdown.

    But there was another aspect of this legislation that, earlier this decade, helped produce another financial meltdown: the collapse of Enron, the Texas energy company.

    The commodity futures act, in addition to allowing unregulated trading of financial derivatives, included language advocated by Enron that largely exempted the company from regulation of its energy trading on electronic commodity markets, like its once-popular Enron Online. The provision came to be known as the Enron Loophole


    ...E-mail written by Enron executives and lobbyists — which became public as part of a federal investigation after Enron collapsed — shows how top Enron officials closely monitored negotiations on the bill. They paid particular attention to Mr. Gramm, who before a final agreement in late 2000 was trying to press other key figures on Capitol Hill and at the White House to agree to concessions that would further curtail regulation of trading.

    Enron’s primary concern was that Mr. Gramm’s insistence at getting these additional free-market concessions — most of which were unrelated to Enron’s business — might scuttle the whole deal, killing Enron’s chance of getting the loophole it sought.

    Enron was a major contributor to Mr. Gramm’s political campaigns, and Mr. Gramm’s wife, Wendy, served on the Enron board, which she joined after stepping down as chairwoman of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission.

    Although not directly related to the current economic crisis, the Enron e-mail provides a window into how much clout Mr. Gramm had as chairman of the Senate Committee on Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs, and the ways lobbyists intervened to advance and defend their interests during negotiations on the bill.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/17/business/17grammside.html

    NO PAYWALL LINK
    https://archive.ph/wHFk8

    Oh I get it now, the GOP the party who believes in "free markets and limited regulations" were blocked by Barney Frank and Chris Dodd who later got the Dodd-Frank law passed, I'm sure with the GOP support right?


    Passed the House on December 11, 2009 (223–202)
    Passed the Senate with amendment on May 20, 2010 (59–39)

    Hmm wonder who opposed it?
     
  9. JonK22

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    It's really simple

    Banksters were able to create NINJA loans, 1% teaser rates, stated income loans, etc BECAUSE wall street stepped up and bought and bundled those loans and sold them off as 'AAA" rated securities.

    They did this with the complicity of the ratings agencies and insurance agencies like AIG (writing $500 billion insurance on CDS without putting a penny away for defaults)

    Money flooded into "safety" of the US after 9/11. Banksters needed somewhere to put it. They created this nifty game of loaning people money without doing a check on their ability to repay the loans, because we know housing prices always rise?

    The Banksters at the retail level, let's call them mortgage brokers, who completed about 85% of all loans during this peak "subprime bubble" (2003-2007) then sold these loans to wall street banks such as the 5 "investment" banks Lehman Brothers, Bear Stearns, Merrill Lynch, Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley (3 are gone, 2 changed to "bank holding companies).

    Now ALL of this was done without Gov't forcing ANYTHING different (except around the edges) than they did pre 2003. How did the Gov't cause the WORLD WIDE CREDIT BUBBLE AND BUST?

    Yes the regulators on the beat missed much, simply because they "believed" the Banksters would self regulate (HAHAHAHA), but did the Gov't force banks to loan to people 2003-2007? NOPE THE BANKSTERS COULDN'T GET ENOUGH CUSTOMERS FOR THE DEMAND FOR THE PAPERS (CDO'S, CDS, ETC)

    See anything here?


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    September 17, 2004

    FBI warns of mortgage fraud 'epidemic'
    Seeks to head off 'next S&L crisis'

    "It has the potential to be an epidemic," said Swecker, who heads the Criminal Division at FBI headquarters in Washington. "We think we can prevent a problem that could have as much impact as the S&L crisis," he said.
    https://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/09/17/mortgage.fraud/


    Apr 11, 2007

    The Bush Administration restructured the FBI after 9/11 to focus on national security, but did not eliminate any of the FBI’s traditional responsibilities. And to handle all the extra work, the FBI was given no additional money. (“Do more with less,” it was told.) The result? You guessed it. Lower prosecution rates. Says one retired FBI official, “we realized we were going to have to pull out of some areas — bank fraud, investment fraud, ID theft — cases that protect the financial infrastructure of the country.”

    The White House and the Justice Department have failed to replace at least 2,400 agents transferred to counterterrorism squads… Two successive attorneys general have rejected the FBI’s pleas for reinforcements behind closed doors.

    As the quote from the retired official would indicate, it appears the lack of manpower has mainly hit the FBI’s ability to prosecute white collar crime. The P-I‘s findings:

    Overall, the number of criminal cases investigated by the FBI nationally has steadily declined. In 2005, the bureau brought slightly more than 20,000 cases to federal prosecutors, compared with about 31,000 in 2000 — a 34 percent drop.

    White-collar crime investigations by the bureau have plummeted in recent years. In 2005, the FBI sent prosecutors 3,500 cases — a fraction of the more than 10,000 cases assigned to agents in 2000.
    https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2007/04/george-w-bush-soft-crime/

    Going off memory, but the FBI had ONE full time agent in 2007 looking at mortgage frauds, in the entire USA
     
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    I haven’t talked about any American workers. What gave you the idea I have?

    SMH.
     
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    He specifically mentioned the IT department, not the whole damn company.
     
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    I always thought that Qualcomm was all IT.......
     
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    Qualcomm is a technology company. They have service persons, administrative, managers, research and development, IT, and other areas. No company of the size of Qualcomm I know of is strictly IT, not even IBM or Ericson. Besides, IT is not where the research department is located. They are the ones who maintain the intranet and other electronic and computer devices that the company maintains.
     
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    The poster that you insist on defending said SD Qualcomm doesn’t employ Americans.

    Best to walk away now, and surrender.
     
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    First off being called a moron is an impressive feat coming from someone who voted for and is still defending the person, party, individual, group????, that is currently "leading" our country and also currently letting in a record number of illegals that are flooding our country.

    Your people screamed bloody murder when President Trump slowed the illegals coming into our country. He was effectively stopping demand.

    The people behind the corpse you elected have a plan to flood the country with illegals and they are doing it ask I type.

    This didn't happen under President Trump did it?

    No.

    It speaks volumes that you would be laughing so hard about your country being flooded with illegals, under the the president you elected, that are getting better treatment than you and your family.

    Tell me this JonK22, what has this worthless career politician biden done POSITIVE for us taxpaying citizens since taking office?
     
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    No, no point. Just an idiot like me wondering why someone would vote for a party where all those running stand up on a stage, on world television no less, and state if elected they will in fact be giving better treatment to illegals, or undocumented immigrants by giving them FREE healthcare.

    Why not give free healthcare to the taxpayers?
     
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    Candidates were asked whether their health care plans would cover immigrants here illegally. They were not, however, directly asked if that coverage would be free.

    Candidates in favor of Medicare for All share the goal of universal coverage but some are wary of a full replacement of the current mix of private and public insurance. Some candidates favor a plan that allows people to keep their private insurance and buy into a "public option."


    Let's see what they said

    “You cannot let people who are sick, no matter where they come from, no matter what their status, go uncovered,” Biden said, when asked to explain the change in philosophy. “You can’t do that. It’s just going to be taken care of, period. You have to. It’s the humane thing to do.”

    Southbend, Ind. mayor Pete Buttigieg cast his support for the proposal in fiscal terms, suggesting that it would ultimately prove cheaper to insure the millions of people in the country illegally rather than allow them to continue to rely on emergency services.

    “This is not about a handout,”
    he said of providing illegal immigrants with publicly funded health care. “This is an insurance program. And we do ourselves no favors by having 11 million undocumented people in our country be unable to access health care. But, of course, the real problem is we shouldn’t have 11 million undocumented people with no pathway to citizenship.”

    https://www.politifact.com/factchec...hecking-trump-ad-democrats-health-care-immig/
     
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    Let's see if you can read charts

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    Now Bidens immigration policy was stopped by court order until beginning of August 2022, you know that right?


    Fast Facts: Record Firsts in President Biden’s First Year



    Jobs: President Biden’s first year was the greatest year of job creation in American history, with more than 6 million jobs created.

    Unemployment Rate: The unemployment rate dropped from 6.2% when Biden took office to 3.9%, the biggest single year drop in American history.

    Unemployment Claims: The average number of Americans filing for unemployment has been near its lowest level since 1969.

    Child Poverty: Experts estimate the lowest child poverty rate ever in 2021.

    Expanded Access to Health Care: Nearly 5 million Americans have newly gained health insurance coverage.

    Reduced Hunger: The number of households reporting that they sometimes or often did not have enough food to eat dropped by 32%.

    Climate Investments: Largest investments ever in the power grid, electric vehicle chargers, and climate resilience.

    Clean Water: Largest investment and national, bipartisan plan to get safe and clean drinking water to all Americans.

    Cleaner Cars: Strongest vehicle emissions standards ever to save drivers money at the pump and reduce pollution.

    Wind: First-ever approvals of large-scale offshore wind projects.

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing...record-firsts-in-president-bidens-first-year/
     
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    That is not what he said. He said that the IT department for Qaalcomm hires mostly Indians. You are assuming that all Indians are foreigners, which too would be wrong on your part.
     
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    Of coarse they weren't!

    They would never make public something like giving free healthcare to illegals because it would be a trainwreck fir their campaign.

    What you didn't ask, realize, or look into was HOW these precious illegals are going to pay for that healthcare.

    Or maybe you did.

    Tell me jonK22 how are these illegals that are currently flooding our country going to pay for that healthcare?
     
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    Ok, in your world maybe.

    So a judge stopped the flow of illegals I to our country from when the corpse took office until August of this year?? Really??

    Then why is it still a hot topic of 2 million entering illegally this year alone?

    You should really get your facts straight or at least make sure what your posting is fact before making these statements.
     
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    Once morte ALL candidsates supported UHC. That's all.

    Next false premise, distortion or lie?
     
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    Weird why did nearly 1,000,000 enter the US in 2019? Didn't Trump lock it down?

    Know what an encounter is? Why they arrrested and deported reciord amounts?

    Jul 22, 2022' The Supreme Court won't allow the Biden administration to implement a policy that prioritizes deportation of people in the country illegally who pose the greatest public safety risk.



    JUNE 30, 2022
    Supreme Court rules Biden administration can end “remain in Mexico” policy, sending case back to a Texas court

    The administration told immigration officers to prioritize the detention of recent border crossers and immigrants who pose a threat to national security and public safety. A Texas judge said the guidance violated federal laws.

    https://www.texastribune.org/2022/0...ant-protection-protocols-remain-mexico-biden/
     
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    QUOTE="JonK22, post: 1073754132, member: 129011"]Once morte ALL candidsates supported UHC. That's all.

    Next false premise, distortion or lie?[/QUOTE]
    You didn't answer my question of HOW healthcare for these illegals will be paid for.

    How does you not answering my question suddenly become false, distorted, or a lie?
     

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