The truth about slavery

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  1. Ted

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    for 4th time: do you have evidence or just liberal gibberish BSing????
     
  2. BodiSatva

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    That is not the "liberal argument" in the slightest. The argument is about European slavery extending into America because the issue we are addressing is that of slaves brought from Africa to America and the problems that those descendants face in today's American society. Jesus man... if you can't be honest then don't even bother.
     
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    the only problem they face is liberalism.

    From Walter E Williams: "History is not going to be kind to liberals. With their mindless programs, they've managed to do to Black Americans what slavery, Reconstruction, and rank racism found impossible: destroy their family and work ethic."

    Ronald Reagan: Isn't welfare a form of slavery
     
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    Liberals have helped greatly... more than they have hurt. That said, the benefits of liberalism ended with the Civil Rights Act in 1964.
     
  5. Ted

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    100% absurd of course!!!! the mid 60's marked the reversal of black fortunes in America. Thats was when blacks were targeted by the crippling liberal social welfare programs that reversed the huge progress they had been making. Several books on subject. Want a list?

    Oh and right to vote is worthless if you are going to turn around and vote for liberals!
     
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    Yeah... I don't discuss anything seriously with partisan hacks. *shrugs*
     
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    translation: I lost the debate so have been reduced to personal attack
     
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    What debate?

    Black people could vote before the 1960's.
    Civil Rights Act and Brown v Board overturned Separate but equal and set stage for equal treatment under the law.
    That is what I was referring to...

    After that liberal policies screwed blacks over... and you agree with that. What debate is there exactly?

    I said I wouldn't take you seriously because you appear to be a blatant partisan hack. Why is ignoring a hack equal thinking I lost a debate? That doesn't make any sense... at least not logically. You are free to try again and attempt to earn my respect if you like. I doubt you will though...
     
  9. Hoosier8

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    Saying whites did not end slavery is totally bonkers. In the UK whites ended the slavery but not their slave trade. In the United States whites ended slavery and died by the millions doing it.
     
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    how????????
     
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    It amazes me how self-proclaiming Liberals and Progressives do not live up to the nature of their own doctrine of moving forward.

    To move forward we must realize that we do not support slavery anymore. It has been abolished for hundreds of years. The true sense of lingering slavery is that of those who willingly accept the guise of protection and helping hand from their government.

    Obfuscation is key to controlling the minds of the masses.
     
  12. Mike12

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    It's obvious that one of the biggest problems we have today is a reverse racism movement. African americans today enjoy freedoms and equality they have never had before. Today, white on black racism is at all time low, in fact, insignificant. If Barack Obama could be elected president, it says a lot. The fact is that today, if you are a black person who works hard, gets an education, respects the laws you can succeed.. we see this everywhere in this Country.

    What has happened is that as blacks have achieved equality (or getting very close to it), they have felt empowered, empowered to start a reverse racism movement, it's sort of a backlash against their past as slaves. Some could argue, this was coming as there is always a reaction to an action and this is the reaction to slavery, even if it was abolished 100 years ago and even when blacks are now enjoying freedoms and power they never had before.

    What is truly amazing is that this reverse racism is allowed to go on. Blacks Lives matter was a group based on hatred and lies. It is the heart of this reverse racism movement which has caught fire in recent years. The reality is that what happened in Ferguson had little to do with white on black racism and all to do with crime and reverse racism. After all the evidence was analyzed and every witness interviewed, it was determined this was a result of a violent young man who chose to attack a cop and got shot. What did black lives matter do? Lie about what happened before facts were known, incite riots and violence against cops. BLM went on to lie about every cop shooting and aided by liberal media, proceeded to incite violence against cups for months, wonder why CNN now refused to cover BLM? They have been exposed as a hate group and now even liberal media stays away from them.

    black people go on TV and blame whites for all their problems and turn every issue into a race issue, the race baiting has reached a fever pitch and become nauseating, this is all blacks do on TV these days - whites and cops are to blame for all our problems. ALL LIES and all rooted in reverse racism and hate, they can't let go of what happened over 100 years ago. i have even seen blacks call for a boycott of white businesses on TV and no-one says anything, it's truly unbelievable but soon blacks will realize they are their own worst enemy, for not taking responsibility for anything and playing victim, this is no way to move ahead.
     
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    I can honestly say I have NEVER heard one person claim that Europeans started slavery with the U.S. slave trade.
     
  14. Mr_Truth

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    If that was true then the corporate welfare recipients would be angry at the trillions they get in handouts and war profits from the government. Instead, as everyone can readily ascertain, they are quite happy at getting all that money.
     
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    To which "liberal policies" are you referring to? The Grandfather clause or poll taxes or the literacy tests? The 15th Amendment granted blacks the right to vote, but they really did not have this right due to the above policies. The Voting Rights act of 1965 granted them the full right to vote.
     
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    True slavery has been around for millennia. But racial slavery started with whites enslaving blacks on the basis that they were subhuman. Yes the Romans enslaves the Slavs and Africans enslaved Africans. But it was based more on the idea that they were an outgroup, not necessarily inferior. They were usually forms of war payments and such, and usually could eventually become free.

    That's how Atlantic Slavery started, too. And it's how it was perpetuated as well. As you stated, African tribal chiefs sold slaves in return for European manufactures like guns and other weapons. Those slaves were prisoners of war, usually. However, those chiefs believed that Europeans would treat slaves like they did, and did not considered them inherently inferior on the basis of race.

    Now let me ask you this. If the US sells Iran nukes, and the Iran nukes Israel, whose fault is it?

    On one hand, you can say that the US never should have sold Iran nukes. On the other, you can say Iran never should have nuked Israel. Either way, both have some guilt. So yea, Africans sold slaves to Europeans. That doesn't make the Europeans completely innocent. What were Europeans doing buying slaves in the first place? That's like saying someone who buys heroin is innocent and the dealer has all of the guilt.
     
  17. Mike12

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    Your Iran Nuke analogy is not an appropriate one so i will just ignore it.

    As far as me claiming Europeans were entirely innocent, i never said this. My point is clearly to educate those who don't know the history of slavery. Most blacks in this Country have no idea how black slavery started and would be shocked to know it was largely the fault of their own race - blacks in Africa. I bet if you ask a random black person how black slavery begun they will tell you something like - 'whites went to africa and captured wild blacks as if they were animals and shipped them to US'.

    The truth is that Europeans didn't actively seek blacks because they thought they were subhumans, it was just what was offered to them by black slave owners and it was what was in supply. My point is that blacks should thank blacks for the origins of black slavery in the US. My goal was to discuss the origins of slavery and not what transpired afterwards, i do not deny that there was a racial element to slavery in US but this racial element where whites began to think of themselves as superior to blacks was not the reason black slavery came to be. If black slave owners had never sold their own race out, slaves in america would've probably been white.
     
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    Considering the behavior of the blacks on the continent at the time, there was little wonder that they were considered subhuman. Besides Europeans knew that the Arabs had been slaving for centuries on the continents before they got into the game. For practical purposes, slavery is just another excuse in this day and age.
     
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    I made the mistake of trying to explain to a African American SJW that Africans kept slaves for thousands of years and sold slaves to the white slave traffickers so exactly why is slavery done by white people it was color blind for millennia based on one group of disenfranchised people being property of other people and many in the middle never could afford slaves.
     

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