THE UKRAINIAN ARMY HAS BEEN DEFEATED. WHAT’S LEFT IS MOP-UP

Notice how Bill doesn't give us sources for any of this stuff. A suspicious soul might begin to wonder if he was trying to avoid scrutiny of his sources....again.

 

From a purely common sense point of view anyone giving Ukraine military hardware has to assume it might get into the hands of Russia so that alone will put limits on what they give.

Here's a supposed list of what has been transferred:

https://www.armyrecognition.com/ukr..._military_equipment_delivered_to_ukraine.html

Now I am not saying everything Ukraine gets is known. I am sure we do not know if anything cutting edge has been given but the above list anyways appears not to be anything cutting edge.

Some say cutting edge drones are being sent to Ukraine:

https://www.airandspaceforces.com/cutting-edge-drones-headed-to-ukraine-in-latest-us-aid/

Then again others say no Ukraine is frustrated its not getting state of the art technology:

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/14/dod-struggles-deliver-cutting-edge-tech-ukraine-00039270

Some suggest a mix of old and new:

https://www.newsweek.com/ai-drones-russia-robots-killer-ukraine-weapons-1769077

This one says Biden will send cutting edge systems:

https://www.businessinsider.com/biden-us-to-send-most-cutting-edge-systems-to-help-ukraine-2022-3

Some say Ukraine has 3 types or levels or tiers of technology:

https://theconversation.com/lesson-...-low-end-technology-on-the-battlefield-197853

I think I would summarize by saying common sense should tell us no one can give advanced technology unless they can afford to have the Soviets get their hands on it which would mean its no longer cutting edge but it still could be modern but certainly not the most cutting edge or sensitive or secret.

Next from what NATO and the US has released, none of the equipment appears top secret. There are modern or state of the art missile and drone systems but one would assume as good as they are they are not the top secret best ones.

Its a murky subject because no one really knows the full extent of what is exchanged and what is being tested. Certainly the latest naval missiles the British had appear to have been used against Russian vessels but I would guess they have others even better if they transferred the ones they did.

Look I do not doubt some of the equipment Ukraine may get is advanced and testing it is an advantage not for the equipment itself exchanged BUT other equipment being developed the testing may help indirectly provide answers for when advancing the latest equipment being transferred.

Other then that its a guess no one really knows. I mean we read articles but how accurate are they?

So me I am in the mushy middle. I do think Ukraine provides a testing ground for advanced systems but I also think the majority of what it gets is not the latest equipment and no one really knows the mix but it appears from the info released by NATO and the US other than drones, its Russia testing their latest missiles. As for any technology Russia put in its SU 35's, the reports do not make it sound impressive due to poor training of their pilots who may not know how to use it properly.

Myself I am surprised how poor the Russian navy has operated among many other things. I am also shocked the elite units of the Russian army have all but vanished. I thought in the beginning of this war they would play a major role in the cut and thrust of battle only requiring the regular army to occupy not fight but that has proven wrong. Russia relies on Chechnyan troops to serve now as their equivalent of marines and the Chechnyan troops appear tough but not sufficient in number to do anything but isolate sporadic victories.

I also do not think Wagner has occupied all of Bakhmut only parts of it.

 

They have been destroyed.

 

Muscovy doesn't have elite units. It just has elite propagandists.

 

Frankly, Ukraine needs to take a crap or get off the pot. Every day they wait Russia gets to strengthen their defenses on the occupied territories so Ukraine needs to actually execute on its offensive now and not later. You can wait forever hoping to build up but eventually you need to actually go on the offensive and not just talk about it.

We saw nothing in spring and now we are entering summer.

 

I think Ukrainian military proved, that they know what they are doing. Also, do not expect, that they will start offensive and end it in Sevastopol and Doneck, this will be long and bloody war of attrition.

 

...and how.

If this article is correct Russia skimmed off the best contract soldiers into elite & SPECOPS units & then chewed those up by using them as light infantry. So, the Spetnatz guys who should be infintrating those long borders to direct missile strikes, gain intel & commit the occasional bit of sabotage are mostly dead or injured in fruitless operations.

So. Much. Stupid.

https://news.yahoo.com/russias-brash-invasion-plan-ukraine-220700824.html

 

And Ukraine's main hope seems to be causing enough death for the Russia that someone in Russia gets angry enough to go after Putin.

 

I reckon they were used up in the beginning of the war when they thought they could defeat Ukraine quickly.

 

Mostly. The rest were fed into a few meatgrinder battles or chewed up in Ukranian counter-offensives.

During WW1 the core of the prewar professional British army was chewed up inside a year. There were still regiments with those names, but they had been gutted. Russia started gutting its best units before the war even began, and inside a year had destroyed the rest. Funny how the consequences of poor leadership can be so similar.

 

Here's another example (from The Economist) of the types of manpower problems Russia is currently facing and more importantly the ominous and tragic consequences for the Russia people once the war ends.

https://www.economist.com/by-invita...ces-twin-personnel-crises-in-its-armed-forces

So add permanent ongoing post war 'stupid' to the mix.

 

A.E. Housman wrote my favorite poem in their honor.

Epitaph on an Army of Mercenaries
BY A. E. HOUSMAN

These, in the days when heaven was falling,
The hour when earth's foundations fled,
Followed their mercenary calling
And took their wages and are dead.

Their shoulders held the sky suspended;
They stood, and the earth's foundations stay;
What God abandoned, these defended,
And saved the sum of things for pay.

 

Russia has deep, structural problems tha teven a victorious war here was never going to fix. A war as disastrous as this will just exacerbate them.

 

Agreed, not only have they blown through a large %, (perhaps the majority) of the billions of rubles invested over the past 15 years or so in modernizing their defense forces in just 15 months of fighting their military industrial base is now cut of from Western technology for the foreseeable future so their best current systems once lost cannot be replaced. And you can forget about their wonder weapons ever appearing in large numbers to. And the same applies to their post war peace time economy in general.

On top of that industry and infrastructure that once would have added to GDP by producing goods and materials for domestic consumption and export thereby actually boosting economic growth/productivity are now diverted to producing war material's. And all that investment? The man hours, depreciating plant/equipment and money? Its simply being burned up on the battlefield. That might be sustainable long term if your winning the war but when your not? Your basically running an economy that's like giant steel mill whose only purpose is to produce steel which can then be recycled back through your mill as feed stock to make more steel!

So short of Trump winning the next election Putin's only other hope lies in becoming President Xi's 'b%$ch for the rest of his career and that's a gift he'll be passing on to whoever replaces him unless by some miracle you get a reformer in Russia who tries to 'fix' Russia's relationship with Ukraine and the West. And I don't see many of them wondering around the Kremlin these days.

 

Russian neo-Nazi Andrej Keller was killed in Marinka - Donbas front, denazification of Russia is going according to plan.

 

And here I thought that was a photo of the Gay Russian Bathers (Who like Grenades) Club! Obviously I'm out of touch with life in modern Russia.

 

Secretary of State Blinken had a very funny line a few days ago...

"The Kremlin often claimed it had the second strongest military in the world — and many believed it," Blinken said in a speech in Helsinki, Finland. "Today, many see Russia's military as the second strongest in Ukraine."

 

The Russian economy has been defeated. What's left is mop-up

Russia's central bank sounds alarms on the economy as the falling ruble and record labor shortage add inflationary pressures
Jason Ma
Sat, June 10, 2023 at 3:30 PM CDT

• Russia's central bank sounded alarms on inflation amid the falling ruble and a record labor shortage.
  
  
• Policymakers kept interest rates steady on Friday but signaled an increase may be coming soon.
  
  
• "The option of hiking the rate was considered, but by consensus we decided to hold the rate, but tighten the signal."
  

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... https://news.yahoo.com/finance/news/russias-central-bank-sounds-alarms-203000216.html

 

Now, we will get some pictures posted of people peacefully shopping in Moscow as contradictory evidence.

 

American-made armored military vehicles used for first time on Ukraine’s battlefield

 

Things looking rough inside Russia. Appears more independents going more to the right due to the propaganda machine. But, they do know that Russia is now under attack.

https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-war-impact-on-russia-2023-6

Appears the Russian media is questioning what this special military operation is doing.

Russian citizens are becoming more divided.

Damn. That is quite an offensive inside Russia.

But, a silver lining for Russia as this war is uniting more Russians to the far right. I reckon Putin will need that once more countries become involved unless Ukraine starts convincingly or embarassingly winning, unlikely.

Yet, Russians are proud patriotic people as evidence by dubious supporters. This war they started could unite them against the West, but to me, it seems more than enough of the population are questioning Putin's actions when before the war started, he had a more united subjects.

"Everything is going according to plan"

 

Ahahahaha. Look at how the Russians "suffer".



I'm curious, do you really believe the Western media telling you about the suffering of the Russians or is this your way of escaping reality?

Putin's rating today is above 80%, but you are discussing "uprisings" and other nonsense. You are an amazing man.

By the way. A picture about the touted "Leopard" tanks.



The value of shares of the producer of German Leopards, Rheinmetall, began to fall actively


So is the stock of the Patriot manufacturer.



But you continue to believe in the uprising in Russia with unfailing persistence. Isn't it funny to you?

 

And not only American-made armored military vehicles.

 

Ahahahaha....
And here is the format of the agreement between Biden and McCarthy that was voted on - it is perfect for the continued decline of the United States.
1. Social security is being cut, and socio-economic inequality and tension will continue to rise (as will street crime).
2. No money for infrastructure upgrades (as in previous years).
3. The military budget is being ramped up, involving the United States even more in the arms race.
At the same time, statistics show that there is no growth in real production in the military-industrial complex, just rising prices for manufactured products. "Stinger, which once cost $25,000, now costs $400,000.
One U.S. Virginia-class submarine costs more than nine billion dollars, and one Russian Borei-class submarine ( superior in characteristics) costs 700 million.
Russian weapons are orders of magnitude cheaper. So there is no point in counting military power in dollars, you have to count it in units.
That is, going back to the budget issues, social services are being cut, no money is being allocated to modernize the economy, and the money for weapons is being stolen. That's great!
But that's not even the best part. In the original plan to raise the debt ceiling (by the way, why "raising the ceiling"? It would be more logical to name "lower the floor"!) they were going to raise it by 4 trillion - to 36 trillion.
But in the final version, they abandoned the ceiling (or bottom) designation altogether, and instead limited the ability to borrow by time - until September 2024 fiscal year.
What does that mean? It's an auction of unprecedented generosity, a sale, Black Friday! You can borrow like you're hysterical.
So you can borrow not 4 trillion, but a lot more in two years. Yoo-hoo!
Inflation will be higher, debt service will be more expensive...
Anyway, I hope you get the main point. Instead of gradually getting out of the hole, the U.S. chose to bury itself in it for two more years, and at a drastic pace.

 

There sure are a lot of Putinist propaganda posts that appear late at night when it is morning in St. Petersburg. But remember they all claim they aren't Russian.

Sure, sure... Tell me another one.