THE UKRAINIAN ARMY HAS BEEN DEFEATED. WHAT’S LEFT IS MOP-UP

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  1. FatBack

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    I'm not a mind reader, I'm asking you... Einstein.

    You should get help with that self-hate thing you got going on.
     
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    You don't have to make an excuse
     
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    The Russians are still in Syria. The only difference is that the Russians are in Syria at the invitation of a legitimately elected government. Unlike you. Is not it?
    By the way, in the conflict on the side of Ukraine, the military from Italy is also enlisted en masse. Day after day, the leading Italian media are promoting the need to provide military assistance to Ukraine, and specifically to the Nazi battalion "Azov", in which people of ultra-right, racist beliefs are fighting.
    However, not all Italians seek to kill civilians and fight for criminal Kyiv. More and more Italian anti-fascist volunteers arrive in Ukraine and fight on the side of the DPR LPR units, while these people are fighting not for money, but for an idea and a world in which Ukrainian Nazis do not kill women and children, in which a person is not discriminated against for color skin and religion.
    The most famous of the Italian anti-fascists fighting on the side of the LDNR is 42-year-old Andrea Palmeri, from the city of Lucca, nicknamed "The Generalissimo".
    Not so long ago, Palmeri wrote on his page on the social network that Europe is filling Ukraine with lethal weapons, the information presented to the Europeans is Russophobic, the European media are full of fake news. Also, together with Andrea, people from Lombardy, Genoa, Sicily are fighting. Most of them are adherents of the communist ideology. Palmeri himself does not hide the fact that he is one of the leaders of the communist movement in Italy, an ardent anti-fascist, and also actively campaigned for the Italians to help the Donetsk and Luhansk people's republics.
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    I am glad that there are worthy people in Italy.
     
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    As a newbie interested in global politics, by what criteria do you suggest one can different any media source from any other media source? I usually read everything I can find on a given topic so I'm not closing myself off to confirmation bias but you have to understand that my fidelity is with my country, the United States of America and it only makes sense that yours is with your country.

    Be that as it may, what is it that you think Americans, in general, are not understanding about the conditions and current war between Russia and the Ukraine? I'm aware that you think Putin is a deity and Zelensky is a demon. Beyond that, what is happening that you don't think we are being aware of here in the US?
     
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    Perhaps your concept of "logic" has an alternative meaning to the generally accepted one. Maybe you are a Martian? At present, on planet earth, civilized people do not want to destroy people on a national, racial, or religious basis.
     
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    You know exactly what ithink should happen to america. No self hate here. Im a good person, its just iknow what my ppl are like, selfish ppl. Its a reason why non whites make up a disproportionate amount in the care industry, because white folk dont gaf about anybody but themself
     
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    1.
    As far as I know, no one in Russia considers Putin a deity. He does not always do what is pleasing to the population. But in this case, the vast majority of Russians (about 90%) support the special operation in Ukraine.
    Once again, the overwhelming majority of Russians support Putin in terms of conducting a special operation in Ukraine.
    On other issues, they can both support him and actively oppose his decisions.
    For example, information appeared in the Russian media that could (with a special desire) be interpreted as the suspension of hostilities in one of the directions in Ukraine. And instantly burst out a gigantic stream of perturbation and indignation. The flow was so strong that the authorities issued an explanation on this issue - there will be no suspension. And the authorities had to make these clarifications many times. So far, these explanations have reached everyone.
    But there are many internal issues where the population disagrees with Putin and protests. The government is addressing these issues. Coordinating positions. If necessary, explain the reasons for the adoption of a particular decision. In general, everything is as usual.
    But I assure you, no Russian thinks Putin is a god. Many people support him, yes. But to pray for him.....nonsense.
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    If you want to get relatively objective information, read the media from different sides. And draw your own conclusions.
    For example, without a relatively current moment in history, in December 2021 the Russians put forward demands for their own security in connection with the expansion of NATO to the east and the admission of Ukraine to NATO (in violation of all agreements). The Russians announced that if NATO refused to take Russia's demand into account, the Russians would take care of their own security. NATO countries refused Russia's demands....
    It was an introduction.
    Now imagine the situation in which (hypothetically) the United States could find itself - the Russians surrounded the United States with military bases and announced the beginning of the creation of a military base with nuclear-capable missiles, for example, in Mexico. What do you think - what would be the reaction of the Americans? ....
    In this or that political, economic ....etc situation, put yourself in the place of the Russians and you will be able to understand the logic of their actions.
     
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    We understand that the only issue Russia had with NATO was this organization stood in the way of
    its imperial ambitions. But the Baltics are NATO already. No-one has the right except the nation in
    question as to whether it wants to be a part of NATO.
    There are two major reasons Putin wants Ukraine
    1 - Ukraine back in Russian hands makes Russia bigger and stronger
    2 - Ukraine in the EU shows how poor and weak Russia really is.
     
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    The "We" in your sentence .. clearly does not understand much - as Russia had far more issues than that. Simple Simon . met a pie mon
     
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    No it has not been.
     
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    You have a very racist and hate-filled mentality.

    You should not try to project what you see in yourself onto an entire race of people.
     
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    Its beyond naive. Likey a paid bot
     
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    Utter gibberish Also one cannot be racist to ones own race ok einstein so you can put that victim card back in your purse
     
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    Youre basically saying dont expect your entire race to be good like you?
    Lmao
     
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    You're the one crying victim.... To you white people are the devil.
     
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    I try to be as objective as possible when analyzing any conflict and realize that the Russia - Ukraine war is not as simple as most Westerners have been led to believe.

    Please provide a couple of news sources that you believe give a fuller account of this tragic conflict.

    Thanks,
     
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    Nonsense.
     
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    For example. There is a Ukrainian blogger. This woman is a lawyer by profession. And the lawyer is very famous in Ukraine. Her nationality is Ukrainian. Permanent place of residence is the capital of Ukraine, the city of Kyiv. Her name is Tatyana Montyan. She is doing live broadcasts. But it might be difficult for you. She speaks Russian. If your browser allows, then you can watch her live lines in recordings with translation included.
    I specifically recommend for you a Ukrainian blogger permanently residing in Ukraine. As you understand, it is difficult to suspect her of anti-Ukrainian views.
    If you have the ability to translate her inclusions, then a link to her YouTube channel. https://www.youtube.com/c/Montyan2
    I recommend her because she has a large audience of Ukrainians who live in different regions of Ukraine and regularly inform her about what they see from the window of their houses. Sometimes they send videos.
    That is, she talks about what is really happening and what people tell her. Including her Ukrainian relatives who live in different regions of Ukraine.
    If you can arrange the translation of her streams, then you will know that the reality is diametrically opposed to what the Western media write.
    There is also a British journalist, blogger and streamer Graham William Phillips. He also covers a special operation in Ukraine. I do not have a link to his streams, but I think that you can easily find it from his data.
    Watch Patrick Lancaster's coverage https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbjTWVaRx6jMN5ZYgbqe2_w
    I'm not specially talking about the Russian media. But among them there are also many who actually write about what is happening.
    I think for a start you have something to do in terms of obtaining information - one Ukrainian blogger and lawyer living in Kyiv. (You can search for her speech at the UN on Ukraine. This speech is in English. I remind you - Tatyana Montyan). And two English-speaking journalists.

    Addition. Made a request to YouTube. And I'm showing you a link to Graham Philips' channel https://www.youtube.com/c/GrahamPhillipsUK
     
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    ....so being a Scot if I call the English a bunch of sassenachs that's not racist....cool....:D
     
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    My condolences to you.
     
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    Why should anyone listen to Tatyana? She just spews ignorant pro-Russian nonsense. Doesn't matter where she is from. She has nothing but ignorance and bias to offer.

    https://www.world-today-news.com/od...ective-west-at-the-un-security-council-video/
     
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    What makes people "civilized" is strictly an opinion.
     
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    So, when your propaganda doesn't work, you try scare tactics.
     
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