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  1. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    From Vox, study: the US could have averted about 15,600 deaths if every state expanded Medicaid

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    The Replicants want to rip-out the heart of Healthcare and bin it!

    Thus poorer Americans will pay for that error with shorter-lifespans .. !
     
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    Obamacare isn't going anywhere. I'm sure more funding will go to it, and possibly the age for Medicare will drop to 50.

    I mean Don said he'd not kick the spending limit can down the road... yet did it 2x... Votes are votes, and Don knows how to lean on folks for votes... by now.

    Good to see you again BTW.
     
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    That will do NOTHING to change the fact that your average lifespan is four-years less than Europe (which is at 83 because of National Healthcare for all).

    That was 2010 and now we are almost a decade later. So, just imagine how many fellow Yanks died since because they could not find a low-cost national healthcare system! (That though boggles the mind. The number is easily in the thousands.)

    Obamacare should have done much more, but we, the sheeple, stoopidly elected the Replicants into control of the HofR in his first tenure midterm (2010). As a result, no further increases in ObamaCare happened. In fact, the Replicants that controlled both chambers of Congress ever since reduced - in individual acts - the overall coverage.

    Which means that a National Healthcare System to replace the existing rip-off is necessary because of:
    *Extremely per capita costs of Healthcare paid for by companies, that
    *Obtain privatized insurance at the market-price, that
    *Results in the fact that only a percentage of the working population has healthcare coverage.

    That healthcare coverage greatly overpriced for the services rendered in the US - whilst lifespan is reducing because of the lack of generalize government-supplied Healthcare.

    Anybody accepting such conditions in one of the richest countries on this planet is damn fool ... !

    PS: Whilst we are pissing away half the national Discretionary Budget on "toys-for-our-boys" at the DoD.
     
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    If I'm honest, I couldn't care less.
     
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    At the moment, that's the problem with most Americans. They do not understand how National Healthcare and a Post-secondary Schooling are essential to their existence - both for very different but key reasons.

    Of course, any country that wants to remain THAT DUMB deserves the consequences. And yes, there ARE consequences, dire consequences. Such as:
    *A visit to the doctor in the us costs $200 (average) and in Europe it is around $30 (in Euros).
    *Any post-graduate degree costs about $1000 a year in Europe vs $14K stateside

    So, Europeans live longer than Yanks by 4 years. Are they smarter? That's not the right question. Smartness is of an individual nature and (thankfully) I have never seen any testing on the matter.

    The right question about education is "What's necessary to get a good job?". Thirty or fourty years ago a "good-job" could be found in Industry. But, Manufacturing Industries todays hires only 12% of the total workforce. Most therefore work in Services. And Services Industries are more and more prone to hiring educated people.

    PS: There are close to 1.6 million Yanks estimated to be living in Europe. (About the population of West Virginia.) We must pay taxes on income above $100K to the US for all incomes above $100K, as well as of course our country of residence taxes. Yeah, screwed for taxation both ways! And for the American taxes, you get a new-passport every ten-years and the American Embassy asks you for $100 to "cover expenses" ...
     
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    We know and understand. We just generally don't care for NHS in our country, because the European model doesn't cover the same volume of patients. Also, our Leftists, want to give healthcare to illegals, along with a host of other free ****.

    How does the tenure system work there? That and teaching useless subjects like Ancient Art history, and other liberal arts, fills the pockets of institutions, but provides very little in the way of an actual good paying career to graduates.
    Right, kinda addressed this above.
    And wow... 4 whole years eh?
    Stunning.
    Sounds like a **** deal.
     
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    Rubbish.

    Here's how it works in both the US and the European Union:
    *There are 510 million people living in the EU all covered by each country's National Healthcare Services from birth - free.
    *There are 330 million Yanks of which only the 53 million over the age of 65 are totally covered by Federal Medicare. The 272 million non-institutional people under age 65 either obtained their coverage from employer-based (155 million) or non-employer based (90 million) sources, or were uninsured (27 million).
    *About the employer-based coverage in the US: Guess who pays for it? No, not the employers. They only transfer the HC Insurance Cost into Product/Service costs, thus the total-costs are recovered within product/service pricing. So Jack-'n-Jill America pay for it in every product/service purchased!

    Healthcare Insurance is a boondoggle for American insurance companies as well as the entire medical profession ...
     
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    One-liner nonsense ...
     
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    This, is why I quit ****ing with you.

    Ta.
     
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    Maybe you'e feel right-at-home on a Message Board?

    Here is supposed to be a Debate Forum ...
     
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    The US could have averted about 15,600 deaths if ...


    The US could have averted about 1,560,000 deaths if...

    AMERICANS EXERCISED

     
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    If that were true, Americans would be healthier as a result of record pharma profits. The opposite is true. Americans are fatter and sicker than ever and it is not due to a pharm product deficiency.
     
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