The US is asking other countries including China for everything from hand sanitizer to ventilators

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  1. Sleep Monster

    Sleep Monster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Here is the real story on that:

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/us-coronavirus-test/

    Coulda woulda shoulda ... and it wasn't months, just weeks, but this virus is spreading exponentially every day and we're still sadly behind the curve in every respect.
     
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  2. Sleep Monster

    Sleep Monster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    50 million dead ... and "most folks really don't care"?

    Those who refuse to study history deserve to repeat it.
     
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    You should take a history class.

    In 1919, the Spanish flu killed 50 million people.

    Globalism didn't exist and the virus originated... in US.

    Anyway, globalism probably prevented Trump from closing all the airports just when he thought the virus would disappear on its own.
     
  4. LogNDog

    LogNDog Well-Known Member

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    Snopes is as bias as Media Matters but lets look at the Snopes article.

    From the Snopes article.

    Here is the post that this conversation originated from.

    From the Snopes article.

    "The U.S. did not turn down an offer to use those tests (as no such offer was extended), nor was it unusual for the United States to design and produce its own diagnostic tests in lieu of those made elsewhere."

    "However, WHO told PolitiFact that the organization had never discussed providing testing kits to the United States, and The Washington Post reported that it’s typical, historically, for the U.S. to develop its own methods under such circumstances"


    If no kits were offered no kits were refused. It wasn't even discussed.

    here's even more from left leaning Politifact:


    Biden falsely says Trump administration rejected WHO coronavirus test kits (that were never offered)
    The group said it focused most of its efforts on "countries with the weakest health systems."

    "No discussions occurred between WHO and CDC about WHO providing COVID-19 tests to the United States," said WHO spokeswoman Margaret Harris. "This is consistent with experience since the United States does not ordinarily rely on WHO for reagents or diagnostic tests because of sufficient domestic capacity."

    According to interviews with several infectious disease experts, Biden’s statement leaves out key context regarding how different countries decided on which test they’d use to identify the presence of the coronavirus.
    https://www.politifact.com/factchec...falsely-says-trump-administration-rejected-w/
     
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    Where did the ridiculous notion come from that we need to be told by other countries what’s going on in the world?

    We knew about the virus. The intelligence community was briefing the administration on the virus.

    I can understand why some might use it as an excuse, but it’s actually an insult.
     
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  6. s002wjh

    s002wjh Well-Known Member

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    sure they mishandle it in the beginning about 3-4 weeks., but quickly lock down 60million people. how about trump he been saying its flu since jan(when china lockdown) till March, so he also mishandling it
    once the virus left china and we knew about it since Jan, then its our responsibility to tackle it. the virus doesn't care its CCP or south korea or EU or any type of government, only a competent leadership and policy can slow it down as seen in South korea, singapore etc.
     
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  7. s002wjh

    s002wjh Well-Known Member

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    dude we know the virus since early Jan. italy screw up by not stop flight from china, Trump screw up by not taking it seriously for about two month + the screw up at CDC on test kit.
     
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    Kal'Stang Well-Known Member

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    WHO never offered the US testing kits. Even Snopes, a left leaning "fact" checker agrees on that point.
     
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    Kal'Stang Well-Known Member

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    Don't know if you know this but Trump, or any President for that matter, does not have the authority that other countries like China and Singapore has. Trump cannot just lock down millions of citizens in the country. Of course I'm sure that if he did do such all the Trump haters would be screaming bloody murder.
     
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    s002wjh Well-Known Member

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    well guess we need china help on mask and other supplies after all.

     
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    Interesting that you chose not to link the snopes article, because it literally says

    Did the World Health Organization offer the US it's kits and the US said no? that not what happened, and you are correct to say that. However, the World Health Organisation did sell health kits to over 60 countries that requested them, the US not being one of them. The politifact article acknowledges this same fact. South Korea was also proving testing kits to countries who wished to purchase them, which is actually what we are doing now, since our production is unable to meet the necessary demand. The fact of the matter is scientists knew the potential of the US becoming the new capital of the virus outbreak, yet somehow our coronavirus task force did not make any effort to import these test kits until after we became a world leader in covid-19 outbreak
     
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    Who, in the world, would would "offer" test kits to the arrogant USA and especially Trump, who has claimed America had no need of help or care and Trump had everyoneunder control and there was "no problem!"?

    NOBODY WOULD OFFER HELP! Trump would ridicule them, laugh at them, probably will feel it was an attack and, jusy like our Governors, would retaliate against them in some way!

    Trump didn't think we needed any test kits and don't think we need them, just like our Trump-lovers right here on Political Forum say it over and over!



    BTW, Snopes is "left leaning" only because the TRUTH left leaning because the never-ending lies from Trump well, uh, never end!
     
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    Just an follow up on my previous post. I realized that there was a missing piece in this puzzle. The SNopes article mentioned a German company that the WHO relied on for test kits.

    I was answering to the above post that had the article linked to it. It's not hard to follow linnks on the forum but let me help since you don't seem to be able to figure it out.

    You should at least try to keep up. Your claim is still a lie perpetrated by the left wing media. Nobody turned down anything because nobody offered anything. Here is your post:

    Provide a link that proves that we had an option since the WHO didn't offer the test kits. How many kits were available after they sold them to those 60 other countries? Were any available for the United States to buy or were they pretty much sold out? Did the WHO have an infinitesimal amount of kits to sell? What was the type of kit and how long would it take to get the results back? Please include links to your answers. Maybe you are making an assumption that you can't back up with any links.
     
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  14. s002wjh

    s002wjh Well-Known Member

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    well compare to SK, which did do some lockdown at the beginning, and thats not excuse for him to downplay it by calling it flu for two month while many parts of Asia was in lockdown.
     
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    Tge ONLY non-existent issues are is that:

    We have no test kits, ventilators, masks etc

    And

    Trump did NOT ask for any from WHO, or anyone else!

    And don't Republicans quit lying about this because Trump trump didn't ASK for any of this stuff Trump said he "had it all handled"!!

    Geez, Trumpees! Trump lies can't even survive a single paragraph to be coherently compared to sanity!
     
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    Kal'Stang Well-Known Member

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    :rolleyes: Spin it anyways you like. Thankfully your spin =/= reality.

    Truth has no lean. Truth is truth.
     
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    We didn't have an option ... that was my whole freakin' point. Sorry if it went over your head. (You started the snarkiness here, I'm just responding in kind.)

    According to everything I've read and heard, the Trump asministration ignored warnings, did nothing to ensure that we would have testing capabilities, and even if the WHO did not offer tests or we chose not to use them for whatever reason, the result is the same.

    This virus caught us with our pants down, period. The response would have been far better (while certainly not perfect) if this administration had kept the coordinating teams and experts from the CDC, NIH, and NSC that the previous administration put in place based on lessons learned from the 2009-2010 H1N1 flu epidemic. At the least, they should have heeded the NSC's pandemic playbook.

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/25/trump-coronavirus-national-security-council-149285

    Among other things, the NSC recommended stocking up on personal protective equipment for medical workers and first responders.

    And please don't come back with a complaint about my source. I'm sick of that particular dodge from this forum's many Trumpsters.

    https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/politico/
     
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    They didn't offer them to the 60 countries they provided kits to either, those countries individually made the transaction to purchase kits from the World Health Organization. We did not
     
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    Yet no link to any of the claims that you have made.
     
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    I mean, it's right there in the very link you provided that testing kits were given to 60 different countries who needed them, but if you have anything to show that the World Health Organization was only selling kits to countries they made supposed exclusive offers to, then feel free to share it with everyone
     
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    CHINA NEEDS TO BE A PARIAH AFTER THIS: How China’s lies brought the world to its knees.

    Beijing is now waging a disinformation campaign against the U.S., while redirecting and withholding medicine and supplies.

    The breathtaking negligence of Communist Party officials for over a month after the COVID-19 outbreak led directly to the pandemic now rampaging across the world.

    From ordering Chinese scientists to destroy evidence of the virus, to suppressing physician warnings, to turning around ships loaded with vital supplies and threatening to block critical pharmaceuticals so that America might experience “the hell of a novel coronavirus epidemic,” there can be no question that when the dust clears, a day of reckoning will be at hand for China.

    “China’s actions are going to come back to bite them when this virus is over,” said Harry Kazianis, senior director of Korean Studies at the National Interest, in an interview with TAC. “I think we’re in a whole new world after this. The way people think about the world, globalism—this pandemic is going to have an effect that’s maybe even greater than 9/11. ”​

    Chinese laboratory technicians had identified a highly infectious new pathogen as early as December 2019. But they were ordered to stop tests, destroy samples, and suppress the news, Chinese media outlet Caixin Global revealed a month ago.

    “A lot fewer people would have died” if the Chinese government had acted sooner, said Wei Guixian, patient zero at the Wuhan wet market where the outbreak is believed to have originated, in February. Chinese authorities prevented the doctors that treated Wei from sounding the alarm publicly.

    One of the first doctors who alerted authorities to the virus was told to stop “spreading rumors” and another doctor had to write a public self-criticism letter about the “negative impact” his warnings had. A doctor in Wuhan, 34-year-old Li Wenliang, was hauled into custody on December 30 for sending text messages to other colleagues warning of the spread and severity of the virus. He died of COVID-19 complications on February 2.
     
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    Yet no link showing that the kits were available to the US. Lame.
     
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    s002wjh Well-Known Member

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    yes china did delay by about a month, trump delay by about 2 month. we know the virus since late dec, which is when china told to WHO. once it left china and into EU/US, its upto those country to stop the virus in their own country, the first case in SK and US is around the same time, yet SK did a much better job than US. thats due the fact SK take action early,, and step ahead of the curve unlike trump who was been lax for almost two month.
     
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    Fake News:

    Everybody saw this coming in early January? Really?

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    Trump restricted travel from China in January, before the first US death occurred and while China was claiming only 250 fatalities. How did the press respond?

    U.S. officials also tried to explain their reasoning for an intense focus on this outbreak, which so far has not led to any deaths in the U.S., though it has led to more than 250 in China.

    https://www.npr.org/sections/health...-health-emergency-and-restricts-travel-from-c
    PUNCH BACK TWICE AS HARD: ‘Less time on your ridiculous impeachment hoax’: Trump rebukes Schumer over coronavirus response.

    “If you spent less time on your ridiculous impeachment hoax, which went haplessly on forever and ended up going nowhere (Except increasing my poll numbers), and instead focused on helping the people of New York, then New York would not have been so completely unprepared for the ‘invisible enemy.’ No wonder AOC and others are thinking about running against you in the primary. If they did, they would likely win.”
    Please link me to your post calling out Pelosi and Schumer for tying up all 3 branches of the Federal government during the period when you claim they should have been taking much more decisive action.

    Also, direct me to your posts calling for decisive action during the period when you say it should have occurred.
     
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    the hand sanitzer has to be 60% or above alcohol content to kill the virus. So you will need to use 90% rubbing alcohol to make sure your end % is still over 60% if you use the common 70% rubbing alcohol you will dilute it down under the 60%
     

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