The US is losing the Pacific, and will be losing the coming war

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  1. James California

    James California Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    ~ If Trump's administration bans TicToc -as India did - that would be a good sign. If for no other reason than to help reelection Trump may indeed unleash a Twitter tirade on China and declare them "World's #1 Enemy" , impose more sanctions and cut business ties. ( both parties would squak ) As it is the USA seems to have Mother Nature on it's side. We shall see ...
     
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    Does China?
     
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    I thought the schedule said from July to December would be Sweet Meteor of Death....?
     
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    That is close to being the most insane thing I have seen on this board yet.

    Even with all the updates the Chinese Armed Forces still has almost NO ability to project power and certainly none to compete with by far the strongest Navy in the world. The Chinese Army Navy, (that's what they call it) has, I think ONE carrier,( or maybe 2, but I think it's still one). We have ELEVEN Carrier GROUPS, much more than any other Navy in the world, especially the Chinese.

    The Chinese have, I believe, the largest Army in the world, that is true. Given their population and how many fractious groups they have within their huge country I'd be terribly surprised if they had anything less. Militarily they have their hands full under any circumstance. In a very real sense they have no need to take over the world, they already have the most of it and we niggling leftovers just aren't even close to being worth all the trouble we'd entail
     
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    You are so uninformed and out of touch.
    You know nothing about ChiComs' unwavering pursuit of global dominance which is the only way to secure their existence.
    You know nothing about their military capabilities.

    Learn these things (weapon systems that are superior and more advanced than ours.):
    DF-17 , DF-26 hypersonic ballastic and cruise missiles in service. (Remember we don't have hypersonic missles at all)
    DF-31B, DF-41 ICBMs in service. (Better than our Munitemen)
    055 Class Destroyers in service (Better than our Arleigh Burke Class)
    095 Nuclear Attack Submarines under construction (Better than our Virginia-class)
    096 Strategic Nuclear Submarines under construction. (Better than our Ohio class)
    003/004 nuclear carrier under construction (Better than our Ford class)
    Remember their hypersonic cruise missles are a grave threat to our carrier battle groups because we are unable to intercept them.
    They are so strong in terms of missles that they don't even have to build as many carriers as we do because carriers are becoming more and more vulnerable.

    These are their navy's annual tonnage aquisition for the past few years:
    2013: 13 warships, 80,000 tons (5 warships and 40,000 tons for the US)
    2014: 15 warships, 95,000 tons (6 warships and 43,000 tons for the US)
    2015: 23 warships, 205,000 tons (9 warships and 48,000 tons for the US)
    2016: 20 warships, 63,000 tons (8 warships and 54,000 tons for the US)
    .....
     
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    You won't survive a nuclear war.
     
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    How are all these ships so much better?

    And what does it matter if they can blow up all our ships anyway, if we can easily destroy Mainland China with our nuclear weapons? They could blow us up too, of course, and then live on in the remnants of a world waiting for the radioactivity to kill them all slowly. MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction) to the rescue, as it has been for about the past 30 years.
     
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    Haha.
     
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    Is MAD one of those things we assume to be true, but may not be?
    Would two world leaders really go flat out to destroy each other’s country, despite knowing it meant destruction of ones own?
     
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    Nor will anyone else and everyone knows that.
     
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    n the end, doesn't it matter much more who starts mutually staring and provocing others?
    I mean ... the United States is taking the right to have its spheres of influence, which must be respected by everyone else, etc. On the other hand, Russia and China also have their spheres of influence and, like the USA, they also demand that is to be respected ... which the USA has not done too often and very arrogantly and still often does not do today.

    That this then results in annoyance among the Russians and Chinese and that at some point will no longer put up with it is clear ... because what should they fear in the end? The two can do nuclear annihilation just like the United States and whoever shoots here first dies second.
    Neither the USA, Russia, nor China want to do that ...
     
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    ~ Likely a true assessment. However with Democrats in charge there is no hope for America to sustain - hence the debates over the next election .
     
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    If one went flat out to destroy the other what choice would the destroyed one have? Do you really think the US or anyone else is going to simply let China or anyone destroy every ship they have and do nothing?
     
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    ~ One of us may be confused - perhaps getting mixed up with "end of Obama Care Armageddon " ... ❓
     
  15. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Not even Trump is that crazy.
     
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    China is nuclear armed too. And their ICBMs are better than ours.
    They don't have to blow up our ships. Yes, MAD works. They won't attack us directly.
    They will just invade Taiwan. If we don't react with force, they will continue to invade South Korea and Japan. That's all. No big deal.
    What would America lose except our leadership and hegemony?
    What could be wrong if ChiComs become the boss?

    You are so simple-minded.
     
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    MAD is true. ChiComs won't attack us directly, and we dare not attack them, either.
    They will just invade Taiwan, and if we don't intervene militarily, they will continue to invade South Korea and Japan. And all our allies will be frightened and disheartened. that's all.
    Now you see how MAD works.
     
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    OOOKKay

    Perhaps you're one of these??

    https://medium.com/@bpdhart/nuclear-winter-many-trump-fans-are-loving-it-889d3c35bfcf

    Or perhaps you're being facetious.

    I am increasingly of the opinion that this is a bogus/parody board and I'm the only one who has been taking everything seriously for the past several years. The only thing that saves me from that supposition is the fact that most of the stuff here really isn't that funny anyway.:p
     
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    How do you know it’s true? Because we’ve been believing it for sixty years or because a Pyrrhic victory is a desirable outcome?
    Ps. Taiwan is the next to go, I believe. Hong Kong has had it.
     
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    It’s not so much trump or putin or xi we can trust, but the fact that they are not absolute dictators and are surrounded by people who will also have to run down the rabbit hole with them.
     
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    FROM WIKIPEDIA :
    The DF-41 is currently the most powerful Intercontinental Ballistic Missile (ICBM), developed in China. It is one of the deadliest ICBMs in the world.
    ~ Good old China will probably poison our water supply or send a batch of toxic pharmaceuticals. No nukes necessary ...:bucktooth::omfg:´
     
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    Cheap insults, eh?
    A real American would see that trump has already thrown our leadership and hegemony under the bus, and wouldn’t be spouting chicom propaganda instead. Your rants sound fishy to me.
     
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    ~ America threw itself under the bus 40 years ago. Trump is too late.
     
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    Then why haven't they just done that already?

    True.

    And a large part of the problem when you try to discuss MAD in any sort of rational way is that the whole idea is, according to Carl Sagan. "...like two men standing in a room up to their knees in gasoline and each threatening the other with a box of matches." It's so ****ing insane from the get-go that most people just really can't get their mind around it, yet in many ways it's the cause of all our super-expensive military and bound up with our actual survival as well, which makes it the central reality of our time. If that isn't proof we're all mad I'd like to know what is.
     
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