Discussion in 'Latest US & World News' started by Horhey, Feb 3, 2019.
Who are you talking to?
Margot, the resident apologist for Saudi enormities.
He's on my ignore list. Can't see what he says.
It was believed by everyone that the US colluded with Saudi Arabia to drop the price of oil to hurt Russia and force a regime change. An extra bonus for Washington was that it hurt Iran and Venezuela as well.
The article states the Saudis went along with it because of Syria, but I think they're wrong. The US wanted to hurt Putin because of Crimea and the Saudis saw it as an opportunity to destroy our shale industry - which it did at the time.
Hurting Russia was easier said than done since it is an export nation rather than an import one, so when the Ruble dropped with the price of oil, the stronger currencies Russia received for its exports went far, so they survived. This is from Decenber 2014.
“What is the reason for the United States and some U.S. allies wanting to drive down the price of oil?” Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro asked rhetorically in October. “To harm Russia.”
Many believe the oil price plunge is the result of deliberate and well-planned collusion on the part of the United States and Saudi Arabia to punish Russia and Iran for supporting the murderous Assad regime in Syria.
Oilprice.com looked beyond the headlines for the reason behind the oil price drop, and found that the explanation, while difficult to prove, may revolve around control of oil and gas in the Middle East and the weakening of Russia, Iran and Syria by flooding the market with cheap oil.
Proponents of this theory point to a Sept. 11 meeting between US Secretary of State John Kerry and Saudi King Abdullah at his palace on the Red Sea. According to an article in the Wall Street Journal, it was during that meeting that a deal was hammered out between Kerry and Abdullah. In it, the Saudis would support Syrian airstrikes against Islamic State (ISIS), in exchange for Washington backing the Saudis in toppling Assad.
Not very far-fetched.
Maybe the American collusion regarding Russia wasn't about Trump; it was with Saudi Arabia to hurt Russia.
The British drew the lines in the sand giving some Arab kings the wealth, and the others nothing. This way they knew the wealthier ones wouldn't want to unite with the poorer Arab states so they could maintain control. In Ireland the British gave beneficial trade deals to the North so they wouldn't want to unite with the South, and it's ironic that the divided island is coming back to haunt them now with the EU.
Britain gave Cyprus beneficial trade deals so they wouldn't want to unite with Greece, and also aroused the Turkish minority as extra insurance. Anyway these are the policies we are now following. Break up countries into smaller factions to maintain control.
Washington managed it with Yugoslavia but only partially with Russia. They failed to break Chechnya away as well as other parts - but they're trying. As for Syria, we don't know the end result yet and whether the US will manage to hold on to the rich oil area east of the Euphrates. I read the coalition killed 15 more civilians in a bombing raid in the East of Syria. Seems like ethnic cleansing to me.
Saudi Arabia never got any US money.
Not exactly. The US imported OPEC oil but never set the price. That was determined by market demand.
Don't about Maduro being killed, that's not part of the CIA/MI6 playbook - or if it is, they're not successful at it. More than likely it's Guido that should watch his step. His assassination would be a great excuse for a US invasion.
Then there's the possibility of paid snipers attending the protests today - so don't be surprised if some protesters get shot and the MSM blasts it all over the world.. It worked at Maidan in Ukraine as well as Syria and Washington has a habit of using the same methods to overthrow others ad nauseum.
Every DOLLAR the Saudi despots possess is US money.
Are you nuts?
Guido is also a socialist.
It has NOTHING to do with Syria.. Iran was the target.
Why is it that Norway with its nationalized oil industry isn’t starving to death, while Venezuela with its nationalized oil industry can’t even feed its lab rats?
And if America and it’s corporate control of the government is so hell bent on destroying socialism where ever it rears it’s ugly head, why hasn’t she demanded Norway’s expulsion from NATO, and regime change for its government?
Could it be because Norway’s population isn’t starving to death. And could it be that the reason it’s not starving to death is because it’s economy is still predominantly capitalist?
Could it be America is only interested in regime change when leaders of nations turn their countries into a cemeteries?
What angers me the most about liberal progressives is how they can be so morally outraged at a perceived violation of the Holy Grail, Democracy; but feel no outrage, no revulsion, no indignation at the two men most responsible for taking the richest nation in South America and turning it into a ghetto of mass starvation, a ghetto that rivals that of Warsaw under Nazi occupation. Those two men are Chavez and Maduro, not Trump and Bolten.
While you so-called “concerned souls” for democracy wring your hands...shake your fingers...cry your tears...and argue about who voted for whom, men, women, and children are dying...and the one responsible is walking around free, smoking Cuban cigars.
There is no hell hot enough to grant you the justice you deserve.
Norway is not a Third World country. It's not part of the Grand Area designated by US planners after World War II. And it's certainly not in the backyard. Venezuela's oil reserves were nationalized before Chavez. The poverty level was double what it is now. The barrios did not just appear their in the last 20 years. The barriors are why Chavez was elected in the first place. You're actually arguing that Venezuela was not a Third World country before Chavez. You've been popagandized.
So, according to you, people are dying of starvation in a socialist paradise because everything got better after Chavez and Maduro.
Nah. Not possible. Nobody could be that devoid of reality. Wait...? Maybe...? Nope. I think they killed Baghdad Bob. You must be Caracas Charlie.
The British didn't draw the borders of KSA.. They never had any presence in Arabia.
Horhey is right... You might read some history of the oil business in VZ.
Why don't you check on Colombia's economy. Take a look at the numbers. Check all US allies in the region. See Haiti. Honduras. Chile.
Separate names with a comma.