The Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS)

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  1. Bowerbird

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    Or inability to generate an immune response
     
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    If the nations that compromise 18.0% and 17.5% of the global population (or 35.5% — almost 9x the US population for those that stopped at 8th grade) wouldn’t you think that having that number skewed would inflate other nations percentages?

    Come on, this is so simple a kindergartner could figure it out so please don’t pull the “I only have an 8th grade education” card.
     
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    so your argument is, that our percentage would effect other percentages of other countries?
    WOW, That amazing. And you came up with that all by yourself? To think that our percentage would effect every other percentage in the same equation is just unimaginable.
    So thats your new revelation? Our percentages can't be true because it would effect everyone elses percentages? And you really posted that? lol
     
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    You have missed the point of the thread. You want to argue individual semantics that don't jive with information production from the CDC instead of how the reported information from the CDC, the White House, and the media contradict everything we now know to be accurate.

    Covid doesn't work differently in the US than is does everywhere else on the planet
    Covid doesn't have multiple infection rates depending on your location.
    The Phiser vaccine doesn't have different results depending on where you get it
    Influenza hasn't been cured but out of nowhere its gone from annual 10s of thousands of deaths to a few hundred overnight
    There isn't any mathematical potion that can explain how 4% of the global population has 20% of the global infections. Does that mean we have the worst medical care on the planet? Does than mean that everyone on the planet is lying about their infection rates except the US when the only country that has something to gain IS THE US?
    You will never be able to explain how people are dying from the vaccine and dying from Covid after the vaccine being reported everywhere but the US

    If the only way you can conceive that those statements have any validity is to read it on a CDC website or reported in our media, then whats the point? I put together the information for people to make judgements based on information that has been collected. I didn't post the information so I can defend it by what the CDC is claiming because it can't be defended by what the CDC is claiming.
    Thats really the point.

    So the question is, how much information are you willing to ignore or wright off in your mind before you start to get the idea that this isn't adding up. VAERS information has no information in over 40,000 listings that show any patterns exist what so ever, the Israel Covid study must be flawed, there is no way the media is lying, everyone else on the planet is skewing numbers except the US, we don't have an influenza problem anymore because everyone is wearing a paper mask but the same size virus (.03 microns) is spreading like wild fire, I mean, how much data do we need before we realize things are not as advertised?

    Obviously you have every right to come to your own conclusions and I am not here claiming mine are any better or any more accurate than yours are. We all think for ourselves and I appreciate very much in the manor in which you govern yourself on this forum. You spent your time getting involved for educational reasons instead of confrontational gaming. And you have hosted some pretty intelligent points of view. I just wanted to say its a real pleasure having discussions with posters like yourself. I look forward to more discussions as well. Thank you for that.

    As for me, I am a retired US Army helicopter pilot. I am technical in nature based on cause and effect. Before there was a vaccine when all this started, our truckers were not able to get food on the road other than gas station junk. My wife and I stated free hot meals for truckers and opened up a stand at different truck stops to help feed these guys and gals for 6 months until they could get food on the road again. My wife and I both contracted Covid in the process as well as both of my sons, my daughter, and their spouses.

    We made national news for our provisions
    https://www.wcnc.com/article/news/c...lina/275-4cc2ca95-4b98-4986-b6e8-6c48808bae0b

    My point being, I have always had this sense of duty to my fellow Americans and I am compelled to get us back to where we belong. I don't feel we are anywhere close and I believe its because the political agendas are more important to this government than its people. I believe we are being lied too on a monumental scale over a virus with a 99% survival rate and a lot of Americans (for what ever reason) have forgotten about their own reality checks. Vaccine passports? Are you kidding me? This government requiring federal workers to get the vaccine even if you already had Covid? Are you kidding me?

    So thats my story and the reason for my provision. I hope it helps people think about each other rather than thinking about party affiliation. Yeah, I know. Its a long long long way to go.
     
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    Yeah, that would be a grand total of 38,000 people compared to 42 million Covid cases. Both supported by 4% (380 million people) of the global population.
    Congratulations on such a profound comparison. :roflol:

    Tell me, did you come up with that all by yourself? And you accuse others of sampling the white powder.
    JUST WOW
     
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    No, my position is that it China’s and India’s numbers were accurate — seeing that they make 9x the US population — we would no longer make up 20% of all deaths.

    You are either trying really hard to twist what is being said to save face or your reading comprehension is so poor it isn’t worth addressing. Which is interesting from someone screaming with such arrogance.

    Dunning Kruger in full display.
     
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    Your post makes no sense AT ALL. Before it could make sense you would have to post the deaths of China and India not just their population. How can you even come up with conflating populations of India and China to US Covid deaths and think it has any meaning.

    I'm going to make the easy for you.

    coronavirus-data-explorer.png
     
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    Maybe you should be clearer with what you point actually is rather than bouncing between all sorts of different claims and assertions.

    Fundamentally no, but there are all sorts of factors which influence infection and death rates. After all, they vary massively within the US, between different states, regions and communities. All sorts of things can be relevant, including population density, public behaviour, government policy, healthcare provision, vaccination rates and extent of other infection prevention measures. Those factors and countless others vary massively around the world.

    Not quite to that extent but instances certainly were reduced for the 20-21 season. That is true around the world and is likely to be largely due to COVID prevention measures such a masks, social distancing and reducing large social gatherings also impacting flu (which is transmitted via very similar routes). There could well be elements of some influenza deaths be counted under COVID (if only because the patient contracts both) but again, that can apply anywhere flu is normally prevalent, not just the US.

    And as I said, I don't believe those figures are true (yours or the real ones you're basing them one). I've already explained why I think the actual data appears as it does. We can only discuss that in reference to the actual data though (which is why I linked Worldometer earlier).

    They're not. There is some reporting of vaccine side-effects everywhere, though there is certainly an argument for more. I've seen as much (little) from US sources as I have from UK ones.

    I never said that. You are making statements alleging that the CDC are saying specific things or have specific policies. I've tried to find any evidence for those claims but I can't so I suspect you are wrong, though I'll currently give you credit of assuming mistaken or misled.

    The core point is that if you want to discuss official statements, policies or statistics from something like the CDC, it would make sense (and be standard practice) to actually reference those things. That way everyone can be on the same page with what they actually said (and when, in what context and on what basis). Only then can we discuss whether what they're saying is actually true or not.

    I've not written anything off and I've not stated any conclusions. I am still trying to establish the detail of what you are claiming and so far you've failed to clarify it.

    The VAERS data for COVID vaccines almost certainly has all sorts of patterns but you can't determine what they are without formally analysing all the data. Cherry picking individual entries is less than useless for actually understanding the data.

    I never disagreed with the conclusions of the Israeli study (though I have seen other studies giving different results). I did disagree with how you were (mis)representing those results.

    I know the media lies everywhere. Again, not a US-specific issue.

    I never said everyone else was skewing numbers or that the US wasn't. I'm saying all of the data from different places will have flaws and imperfections but we can't know exactly what they are. I disagree that you can look at those figures alone and declare that the US (and only the US) is skewing the numbers.

    You're misrepresenting the facts again. I've already mentioned the range of reasons that flu rates (actual and recorded) have reduced this year. Yet again, this applies world-wide, not just to the US.
     
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    Are you able to comprehend per capita ratios? it would make sense that the US would have more deaths than all other countries besides China and India. If their numbers are not accurate then it throws off national death percentages vs global numbers.

    This is just embarrassing

    I’ll make it easy for you (if you can understand it)
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    YOUR OWN SOURCE SAYS THE DATA MAY BE INACCURATE
     
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    All sources say that. Its called a disclaimer. Normally around 2% plus or minus. Thats the first time you noticed that?

    How do you get the same per capita numbers for countries with massively different populations?
    You increase the number of infected. And there is nothing you can post to refute these numbers.

    Global total = 219 million infections to date
    The US has 42.2 million infections of those 219 million to date
    Thats 20% of the total global infections

    World population is 7.9 billion to date
    US population is 329 million to date
    So the US is 4.25% of the entire worlds population

    So 4.25% of the worlds population has 20% of the worlds infections?
    You got that part?

    Now you want to go with deaths
    Global total Covid deaths is 4.5 million
    Total US Covid deaths is 680,000

    So 4.25% of the worlds population has 15% of all global deaths?

    No amount of your populations, per capita, or gorilla math is going to dispute those real numbers.
    The US has 4.25% of the worlds population but are reporting they have 20% of all global infections.

    You said India's numbers were accurate, right? So lets compare
    India has 1.3 BILLION (4 times as many people as the US) with 33.5 million infections and 446,000 reported deaths
    USA has 329 million---============================with 42.2 million infections and 680,000 reported deaths

    How does India have lower number totals with 4 times the population?

    There is nothing you can provide that disputes those numbers or can conflate them into some alternate reality.
     
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    YOU were the one who wanted to use PERCENTAGES to argue your case. Now you have to slip back to raw numbers, because that was shown to be a losing argument. Make up your mind as to how you want to be buried….
     
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    :roflol:Yeah, those SO CALLED raw numbers, are what represents your profound claim
    (I just gave you 2 examples of other worldwide phenomena, in which the US numbers far outweigh their proportion of the population.)
    OMG, You still don't get it?
    And I thought you would be so embarrassed you wouldn't attempt another post, yet you have outdone yourself yet again.
    I take it percentages and fractions are not really your thing huh. 15% of all gun deaths represent the same number as 15% of all Covid deaths. Right? :roflol:
     
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    No, but they represent the same PROPORTIONS, which was what you tried to base your argument on....remember??

    You tried to ‘argue’ that it must be unlikely that 4% of a population could “host” 20% of an effect. See those percentages you used? Those are PROPORTIONS. I demonstrated two quick examples of where that imbalance of PROPORTIONS is clearly evident in other effects. I could include many more.

    If you want this to become a battle of mathematical understanding.....have at it..!
     
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    Do you understand what per capita means?
    Do you comprehend the graph I posted?

    China is lying about their numbers
    India doesn’t have the capability to accurately report their numbers

    Either that or the rest of the world is engaged in a massive conspiracy. I know which one you believe.
     
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    Difference???? In other countries like India THEY WORE MASKS,!! When they didn’t they had outbreaks
     
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    How can people not understand proportions?
     
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    Yes, I do. Its too bad you don't know what they mean. Per capita are numbers configured for infection per (x) amount of population
    It doesn't address the numbers I provided or you just can't get it.

    Nothing you provided disputes what I posted. That the US (at 4.25% of the global population) has 20% of the globes infections and no per capita numbers can change or dispute that number.

    This post alone concludes you don't know the difference between per capita numbers and the actual numbers compared to global numbers.

    Which makes no sense.

    First you have to know what per capita means. Its a measurement of a geographical location used to determine the average per person rate of (X) divided by the same regions population. It has no reflection on total global numbers, Its just used to give a unique geographical percentage based on the unique geographical population.

    So you can't take a unique per capita number and use it to determine ANYTHING globally. They have no reflection on global numbers. Which means you can't add all the unique per capita numbers globally and come up with 100%. Your number would more than likely be over 1000%.

    Example, you can't claim Americans make over 10K a year per capita which is 80% of the population and think Americans make 80% more money that everyone else on the planet. That 80% has no value other than one unique geographical area. Thats why your per capita claim doesn't add up or make sense.

    Globally, the US reports that we have 20% of all infections reported on the planet while we are only 4.25% of the global population. And no per capita numbers have anything to do with that claim.
     
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    No even relevant but thanks for posting
     
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    Well, its pretty simple math, if you can follow it. Lets find out

    Global total = 219 million infections to date
    The US has 42.2 million infections of those 219 million to date
    Thats 20% of the total global infections

    Is this moving too fast or do I need to show you math on how to convert to a percentage? Let me know if you're not able to follow.

    Which would have nothing to do with

    So moving on with elementary math 101

    World population is 7.9 billion to date
    US population is 329 million to date
    So the US is 4.25% of the entire worlds population

    Which would have nothing to do with
    So, following elementary math 101 to its conclusion

    4.25% of the worlds population is claiming they have 20% of the worlds infections?


    No amount of your populations, per capita, or gun and cocaine percentage claims is going to dispute those real numbers.
    The US has 4.25% of the worlds population but are reporting they have 20% of all global infections.
     
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    Its beyond me mate. I’m not sure if this guy knows he has been backed into a corner and is just desperately throwing numbers wherever he can, or whether he is genuinely lacking in numeracy skills to the extent that he simply doesn’t understand. Past history here suggests it is more likely the former…

    At age 68, a career behind me as a maths teacher and in possession of a Masters degree in the field, I rarely come across someone with such a poor grasp of percentages/fractions/proportions/ratios…my current Year 7 kids wouldn’t make some of these errors….I think they’re deliberate…
     
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    My source illustrated deaths per million — yours was just raw numbers. For you to “understand” what per capita means you are not displaying that here.

    The fact that China and India (the two largest populations on the planet) are not using realistic figures disputes that.

    Two different metrics — you are trying to assert that the US cannot have the number of cases that it does because we make up 4% of the global population while accounting for 20% of all deaths. Showing per capita deaths vs other nations indicate that we have a close to average number of deaths comparably.

    I am sorry this is so confusing for you. Maybe that 8th grade education wasn’t enough.

    I really don’t know how to dumb this down any further.

    You keep asserting that 20% figure based on data that you have been fed from a third would nation and a communist nation. Which is understandable seeing how desperate you are to justify your position.

    It wouldn’t be so fascinating if not being spouted through a narrative of extreme arrogance and a complete lack of understanding on basic metrics.
     
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    :roll::roll::roll:

    yeah keep trying to convince us that 1+2 = 5

    But don’t be surprised if none of us take this seriously
     
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    I think you’d get more satisfaction belting your head with a hammer….

    Certainly would be less painful….:)
     
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    I think you are right - no one can be that wrong in relation to basic math so this has to be obfuscation
     
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    OMG, My numbers are from World meter, not a third world communist nation.
    How do you get so lost in something so simple?
    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

    My claim has been consistent since we started this conversation. The only one trying to equate it to something different is YOU.

    These are the top 4 highest global infection rate countries out of 195 total countries in descending order.
    Meaning, total reported infections per country

    USA 43,404,877 total infections
    The US is 4.25% of the global population with 20% of the total global infections. UNDISPUTED

    India 33,562,034 total infections
    India is 18% of the worlds population with 15% infection rate with 4 times as many people 1.3 billion

    Brazil 21,283,567 total infections
    Brazil is 2.73% of the global population with 9% of the global infection rate with 215 million population

    UK 7,530,103 total infections
    The UK is 0.87% of the global population with 2% of the global infection rate

    Every other country in the world has smaller numbers with most under 1% total global infection rate. So even if you take India out of the mix,
    the US has the highest number of infections of ANY country on the planet with only 4% of the global population
    The UK is number 4 and they are 2% and 191 other countries not listed and under 2% with more than half under 1%.

    The US has as many infections as Brazil and India COMBINED

    If you start with the UK and add every country in descending order from highest infection rate to lowest to get to the US numbers you would have to combine
    UK, Russia France, Turkey, Iran, Argentina, Colombia, and Spain to get to 42 million infected and they are the highest out of 192 countries.

    Now are you getting the picture? You need 8 of the highest infected countries starting with the UK to get to 20% of the global infection rate.
     
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