The vaccine causes deadly blood clots.

If you understood science, you'd understand the value of a controlled study. Yet you blindly buy into the claims by virologists who have not conducted a single properly controlled study on so-called "viruses" of any kind. Nor have any been able to confirm what "Covid-19" actually is (if it's not the flu) with any definitive diagnostic test. And you call this "science"??

So why do you persist in this futile effort? I don't get it.

 

Your ridiculous thread derailing with the "flat earth" of covid is noted. I will not debate this level of ridiculousness. My signature has never been more apt.

Goading noted. I've put NO effort in.

Many millions of virologist say you are talking utter batshit. How you don't get THAT is baffling.

 

Hi, regarding HIV probable mistake, I strongly suggest to you reading Eleni Papadopulos-Eleopulos papers (she was the leader of a small group of scientists named "Perth Group"). Sfefan Lanka admits he learned from her. I'm not a native english speaker, and she neither, but I can discern she had an amazing way of reasoning and rigurosity.

Unfortunately she passed away in 2022.

 

Millions of virologists?

The World Society for Virology (WSV) has a current membership of more than 1500 from 86 countries, with ~134 virologists being in the US.

So only about 1500 virologists have been duped, believing they're actually studying a real science. And this tiny minority is behind the push to poison the entire world's population with so-called vaccines.

 

Yes, thanks. I've seen some of the videos of her talking/being interviewed years ago. And I'm aware of the Perth Group & checked out their research. They do great work! You've inspired me to look more at her work to see what I may have missed.

 

No, that should have read scientists. It includes chemists, biologists, virologists, vaccinologists, research scientists etc. - studying, active, retired and dead. You do realize that many of these educational lines have similar routes but different jobs. There are truly vast numbers of study papers relating to viruses!

A totally moronic claim. Fifteen hundred experts are all duped and a small clique of conspiracy theorists relying on one person think they are right. MEH!

Your ridiculous thread derailing with the "flat earth" of covid is noted. I will not debate this level of ridiculousness. My signature has never been more apt.

 

In the case of alleged HIV, the Perth Group wrote the next page:

https://www.theperthgroup.com/FAQ/question1.html

Only a minority of the world's scientists work on HIV or AIDS. Of these most are cloistered in specialist fields where of necessity particular matters of significance are accepted in good faith as fact. For example, scientists working on the "HIV" genome do not question the origin of the DNA molecules they research. Just as laboratory technicians performing antibody tests never question the origin of the proteins in their test kits. And it goes without saying that no protagonist questions the existence of HIV. (The same acceptance in good faith applies to the vast majority of medical practitioners as well as health planners, politicians, patients and relatives. This is not a criticism since no one has time to check up on every facet of every disease that afflicts mankind). When it comes to the question "What is the proof that HIV cause AIDS?" in reality there are only a relatively small number of scientists who would be regarded by all the other scientists in the field as competent to explain and defend the HIV theory. In fact the numbers of such scientists may not be that greatly different from the number who argue there is no proof that HIV causes AIDS.

 

Wowie, it's one batshit conspiracy after another. We've had "viruses don't exist" spammed on about 20 different threads! We've had 5g causes death and doom, but people get better because they get used to it apparently. Quite how newborns aren't all dropping like flies is a "conspiracy-mystery". We've now moved onto yet another thread-derailing piece of crap about HIV.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1980675/
"AIDS is an acquired immunodeficiency syndrome caused by the lentivirus HIV and characterized by a successive depletion of CD4 helper/inductor lymphocytes. The humoral and cellular immune deficiency is the basis for the development of opportunistic infections and tumors. Because of a multitude of different bacterial, viral, and parasitic opportunistic agents, AIDS is typified by a number of divergent clinical symptoms. As with many lentiviruses, HIV is difficult to demonstrate in the organism, especially in asymptomatic carriers. Although the rate of infection in peripheral lymphocytes appears to be low, there is an increasing amount of virological and immunological data which help to explain the slow but irreversible failure of the immune defense. We still know relatively little about the pathogenic mechanisms of HIV, although a number of the presently available experimental results provide useful starting points for subsequent investigations. Peter H. Duesberg recently published that HIV and AIDS may well be correlated, but stated that HIV is not the cause of AIDS. Duesberg bases his hypothesis on the fact that HIV fulfills neither Koch's classic postulates nor several more of his own postulates for viral pathogenesis. Following the summary of individual pathogenic mechanisms of HIV infection, the separate points of Duesberg's hypothesis are discussed in detail. It is made very clear that the magnitude of epidemiologic, clinical, and experimental observations and results argue for a causal role of HIV and AIDS."

Who to believe huh? The overwhelming bulk of evidence or conspiracy theorists peddling fringe batshit?

 

It was not my intention to move onto another thread about HIV. My post above, where I pasted a text written by the Perth Group, was pertinent to show that only a small number of "oficial experts" can defend the HIV-AIDS theory, and that number would be only slightly above the number of dissidents. And it is possible it is the same case with viruses in general.

However, I think that to debunk all viruses in general and the entire field of virology is a too ambitious plan, but this is only my personal opinion.

 

No problem. It wasn't pertinent.... the thread is about covid vaccines causing blood clots.

 

"Vaccinologists"? And I thought "virology" was hilarious enough. I guess superstition is still alive and well.

And zero numbers of these papers provides any evidence for the existence of viruses - nor even any other infectious agent whatsoever.

You can be sure people who profit the most off this scam, like Fauci & Gates, probably know the truth about viruses.

I concur.

 

Thanks for clarifying this.

 

They are.

U.S. Infant Deaths Rise for First Time in Decades
In a report released Thursday by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, researchers found that more than 20,500 babies died in 2022 before the age of 1. Overall, there were 5.6 infant deaths for every 1,000 live births, a 3% increase from the year before.
https://www.usnews.com/news/health-...-infant-deaths-rise-for-first-time-in-decades

Further, childhood cancer rates are also on the rise. Clueless medical authorities blame "cellular mutations" for this, but they never say what's causing the mutations - as if this was a natural thing, and the issue of pesticides, EMF, vaccines, and environmental toxins have nothing to do with this rising epidemic.

So because they say "it is made very clear...blah blah blah", that makes it true? Where's the science behind this claim? I'm still waiting.

In fact, the wording suggests they're not even certain what causes "AIDS" when they say "observations and results argue for a causal role of HIV and AIDS." Yeah, you can "argue for" anything if you like. But it's meaningless if there's no basis for it.

Believe only the ones who can provide scientific evidence using a properly conducted study that adheres to the scientific method.

Virologists must do the following. If they can't fulfill these three simple steps, then their position about viruses is invalid.

(1) Isolate, in other words, extract the virus from a sick person and purify it, so you have an isolate consisting only of pure viral particles and nothing else.
(2) Visualize this virus under a microscope, take a photo, characterize it as a unique biochemical structure, sequence its genome, and determine which proteins it is made of.
(3) Transfer the purified virus into an experimental host and cause disease.

Virologists can't even fulfill the first step!

 

Ridiculous causation link! 5g rolled out in 2018. During this period, covid-19 virus!

I already told you dozens of times, no-virus batshit is as bad as flat earth. My experience tells me it is futile arguing with anyone capable of falling for such appalling garbage. You are deliberately derailing this thread.

Academic parlance not your strong point huh?

I find it a little nauseous at you mentioning a "scientific method"! And as for the rest of that multiple posted spam:
Batshit. "No viruses" is the flat earth of covid-19. I don't debate with anyone who gets suckered by such a ludicrous thing.

 

It's actually not at all an ambitious step if one adheres to the rigors of the scientific method - although it continues to amaze me at how gullible the vast majority of medical/scientific community has been regarding this subject, and how they so willingly set aside scientific rigor in favor of an assumption/belief. They've been so enculturated into the germ theory of disease over the decades, it's incomprehensible for them to imagine that entire nations could've been duped for so long a time. It's difficult for them to consider that vaccines are useless & dangerous too, but not nearly as much as the idea of fictitious viruses.

Virologists need merely fulfill the following three very simple steps.

(1) Isolate, in other words, extract the virus from a sick person and purify it, so you have an isolate consisting only of pure viral particles and nothing else.
(2) Visualize this virus under a microscope, take a photo, characterize it as a unique biochemical structure, sequence its genome, and determine which proteins it is made of.
(3) Transfer the purified virus into an experimental host and cause disease.

With any study presented to you claiming it confirms or supports the existence of a virus or viral pathogen, always go through the paper to see if any of these steps have been fulfilled. Pay particular close attention to the "Materials & Methods" section of the study. Often you can debunk an entire study based only on that.

 

Off topic batshit, spammed over 20 threads.

 

Rolled out doesn't mean commercially available to millions. South Korea & China beat the US on that front.

5G became commercially available with millions of subscribers in April 2019 when SK Telecom, the largest mobile operator in Seoul, South Korea, launched the world's first commercial 5G service. More than one million subscribers signed-up in a matter of weeks. Wuhan, China was soon next when it activated 10,000 antennas in October 2019. The 'virus' first emerged in Wuhan, China in December 2019.

If Covid-19 really was an 'infectious' disease, it wouldn't have spread so quickly around the world. (We observe this same problem with the 'black plague', allegedly caused by a vermin's fleas.) What did spread quickly was the rollout of 5G in April 2019 (with 4G already having been in place for years and already sickening people), with the first case of 'Covid' reported in January 10, 2020 in Wuhan. Ten days later on Jan 20, S. Korea got its first case. Then later in December 2020 the Covid vaccines were introduced, which then caused massive injuries & death wherever it was introduced (and which was blamed on a 'coronavirus').

Summary:

Wuhan, China
* May 2019 - Wuhan is one of 3 pilots cities in Hubei province to set up 300 5G base stations.
* Oct 2019 - ~10,000 5G antennas activated
* Jan 10, 2020 - First case of 'covid' in the world reported in Wuhan.

South Korea
* April 2019 - First ever country to roll out commercial 5G.
* Jan 20, 2020 - First case of 'covid' reported in S. Korea, with the claim that it was 'imported' from Wuhan.

Vaccines
* December 2020 - Covid vaccines introduced

Keep in mind, specific & consistent symptoms need to be established to label a novel disease. Eg, diabetes has specific & consistent symptoms that are well defined both clinically & by blood work. 'Covid' lacks any of this, which is evident by millions of cases showing a huge variety of symptoms & no confirmation of an infectious virus.

How am I derailing this thread when I've been presenting to you the exact cause of the blood clots? The no-virus argument is an additional important point which underscores the uselessness & toxicity of the vaccines that cause these deadly clots.

You call that 'academic parlance'? It was presumptuous pseudoscientific bullshit.

You just don't appreciate facts that debunk your view of the sacredness of science. Try to focus on the science and less on the scientists.

FACTS:

* The earth is spherical.
* Viruses don't exist.
* Vaccines are both toxic & useless (except for generating profits)

 

Really? You think the no viruses horseshit is on topic? You presented nothing, it was debunked antivax lies. As established, the film you rely on is a nonstop pack of lies.

False, I don't appreciate batshit conspiracy theories.

One out of three is not impressive.

 

Here is what Dr. Mark Bailey states about Wuhan patient No. 1 - from A Farewell to Virology, pgs 29-30:

...they obtained some bronchoalveolar lavage fluid (BALF) from their patient and with this crude specimen reported that, “total RNA was extracted from 200μl of BALF.” Their methods section detailed that this was achieved, “using the RNeasy Plus Universal Mini kit (Qiagen),” i.e. through spin column centrifugaEon. They claimed that, “ribosomal RNA depletion was performed during library construction,” however, see page 43 as to why this is dubious as there remained a high match for known human RNA sequences. They then proceeded to shotgun sequence the brew, starting with random fragmentation of the genetic material into short lengths averaging 150 nucleotides and conversion of the RNA to DNA using a reverse transcriptase enzyme. 56,565,92890 such short reads were generated and this information was fed into Megahit and Trinity, software platforms for de novo algorithm-based assembly. Through Megahit, 384,096 contigs, or hypothetical overlapping sequences were generated and the longest one (30,474 nucleotides) was declared to have a “nucleoEde identity of 89.1%” to bat SL-CoVZC45, another fictional construct that will be dealt with subsequently. (Trinity generated over 1.3 million contigs but the longest one was only 11,760 nucleotides — in other words, they would not have found the “genome” if they had just used this software platform.) The word ‘virus’ suddenly appeared when they state, “the genome sequence of this virus, as well as its termini, were determined and confirmed by reverse-transcription PCR.” This is a sleight of hand as the PCR simply amplifies pre-selected sequences and has no capacity to confirm a previously unknown genome. As PCR expert Stephen Bustin has explained,

“PCR requires you to know what the sequence of your target is...so once you know that there’s something in your sample, then you would try to isolate it, yes. And then once you’ve isolated it, then you sequence it again, or PCR it up.”

In other words, PCR itself cannot identify the origins of the sequences and the methodology of Fan Wu et al. did not establish the origin of their described sequences. However, in the very next sentence they announce to the world that, “this virus strain was designated as WH-Human 1 coronavirus (WHCV)”.

...it is this “genome” that was submitted to GenBank on the 5th of January 2020 that was seized on by Drosten et al. to help produce their phoney PCR protocol assay sequences, which in turn were published with indecent haste by the WHO for all the world to use, thereby turning WH-Human 1 into the world’s reference genome for a claimed pathogen. It is this invention that is responsible for the whole bag of destructive tricks imposed on the world following the announcement of the pandemic by the WHO on the 11th of March 2020.

 

Dude, give it up. The science to back up all your arguments simply doesn't exist.

 

~ Don't forget common sense. Regarding the mRNA vaccine, that does not exist either. "

 

Batshit. The "no-viruses" conspiracy theory is the flat-earth of Covid-19. It is futile to engage with anyone who has been suckered in to this level of belief.

Which is why the the unvaccinated make up the majority of hospitalizations, deaths, long-covid etc.

Hey James, about California!
80% Unvaccinated
"If anyone still wonders whether COVID-19 vaccines are effective at preventing serious illness, look no further than UC Davis Medical Center – and probably most hospitals in the country.


Nearly 80% of the COVID-positive patients sick enough to require hospitalization in recent days are unvaccinated.

The other roughly 20% of people admitted to the hospital with COVID have breakthrough infections.

And although unvaccinated patients have much greater chances of surviving than they did earlier in the pandemic, in part due to more treatment options, doctors still worry about the long-term effects of the virus on those who decide against immunization.

“If you are unvaccinated, especially this long into the game, you do have an increased risk of having long COVID,” said Natascha Tuznik, a UC Davis Health specialist in infectious diseases.

Many of the persistent symptoms of long COVID that can show up months after the acute infection – including respiratory issues such as shortness of breath, gastrointestinal problems, joint pains and muscle aches – can be incredibly disruptive to quality of life. What’s more, Tuznik said, long COVID can also overlap with other health issues and trigger major problems."

 

They're being deceptive here by leaving out some critical details.

(1) Your citation states:
Nearly 80% of the COVID-positive patients sick enough to require hospitalization in recent days are unvaccinated.
The other roughly 20% of people admitted to the hospital with COVID have breakthrough infections.

This means that the claim is based solely on 'Covid-positive' test results - not on an actual, confirmed infection & subsequent illness by a 'virus.'

(2) For the un-vaxxed:

* There's no evidence that a person who's sick got sick because of a 'virus'. They might have the flu, a cold, an ongoing or transient respiratory issue, or any number of other health issues. All 'Covid tests' are invalid and cannot be used to detect any infection, let alone an infectious agent.

* A doctor will more likely assume/guess/suspect a 'Covid-19' infection in a sick patient if that patient was un-vaxxed - while thinking the opposite for a sick patient that is vaxxed. This will artificially inflate the number of 'Covid cases' in the un-vaxxed vs that of vaxxed patients.

* A person may be asymptomatic but get a 'positive' result on a bogus test, in which case they will be deemed as having 'Covid-19'. This will skew the data making it appear as though they are actually 'infected' with Covid-19.

(3) For the vaxxed:

* If a person is injured/killed by the vax, it will usually be blamed on 'Covid-19' or any number of other illnesses (particularly if they get a 'negative' result on the bogus 'Covid test'). This skews the results by greatly reducing the actual numbers of vax-injured/killed patients.

* A doctor will more likely assume/guess/suspect that a sick patient does not have 'Covid-19' if that patient had been vaxxed - while thinking the opposite for a sick patient that is un-vaxxed. This will artificially deflate the number of 'Covid-19' cases in the vaxxed vs that of un-vaxxed patients.

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And I found this part in your citation rather revealing:

And although unvaccinated patients have much greater chances of surviving than they did earlier in the pandemic, in part due to more treatment options, doctors still worry about the long-term effects of the virus on those who decide against immunization.

YES! That's because the un-vaxxed are not compromised like the vaxxed, and will respond better, with or without medical treatments.

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Further info:

Bhakdi/Burkhardt pathology results show 93% of people who died after being vaccinated were killed by the vaccine
The vaccine was implicated in 93% of the deaths in the patients they examined. What's troubling is the coroner didn't implicate the vaccine in any of those deaths.
https://kirschsubstack.com/p/bhakdiburkhardt-pathology-results

(video) Dr Sucharit Bhakdi: Organs Of Dead Vaccinated Proves Auto Immune Attack - 22/12/2021
https://www.bitchute.com/video/fHIT55iM4Zv9/

 

The very term 'vaccine' is already a misnomer in regards to alleged infectious agents.

 

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