The vaxx prevent production of antibodies for new variants

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    There are new studies that are worrying. Looks like the shot prevent production of antibodies for future variants.
    If you have an infection from a new variant after the shot the immune system only produce the old type antibodies anyway. That is very bad with a mutating virus of course.

    "Viral variant infection elicits variant-specific antibodies, but prior mRNA vaccination imprints serological responses toward Wuhan-Hu-1 rather than variant antigens."


    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0092867422000769
     
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    From the paper

    "Additional booster doses may be able to compensate for relatively decreased binding to new viral variant antigens, potentially decreasing the public health impact of antibody response imprinting."
     
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    I think at least there is more honesty about these issues as time has progressed. As soon as the second booster started becoming available, people in the medical community started speaking out against patients taking them unless they were immune compromised precisely to allow for most people to wait until a new strain and a newer shot to address it happens.
     
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    So we'll have to get a new vaccine every year?

    No, by god, having to take a needle in my arm every year is just too much trouble. I'd rather die....
     
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    Yeah looks like people become dependent on injections as their naturally induced antibodies are outcompeted by those less protective (and even dangerous) from the shot.
     
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    Vanden Bossche says governments must prepare with antiviral prophylaxis etc for the vaccinated.
    Please tell others people.
     
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    the Vaccine has been very effective against variants

    but at some point, yes, we may get a variant that is not covered by the current vaccines
     
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    Darwin award nominees..

    I don't have a problem with that.
     
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    The true believers can go get a biannual injection for the rest of their life for all I care.
     
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    But that article is debunked. By those 50 scientists in the study published in Cell and others.
    And another study says that the more shots we have the less protection we get eventually. Antibodies from vaxx only recognize S-protein.

    Bossche says that the antibodies induced from vaxx outcompete those broader protecting "naturally" induced antibodies. Seems like something like that is happening.
     
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    Please cite the "debunking"
     
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    Mcgill says: "Another important counterpoint to Dr. Bossche’s claim is that we can simply reformulate our vaccines to match new variants of concern."

    But at the moment that seems very risky. The shot blocks the production of antibodies for new mutations of the virus.
    And it seems to get worse with each shot (Less of those abs that recognize both S and N-protein.) You only get S abs that according to Bossche and other may even enhance infection.

    The study in Cell says:
    "Viral variant infection elicits variant-specific antibodies, but prior mRNA vaccination imprints serological responses toward Wuhan-Hu-1 rather than variant antigens.
    Additional booster doses may be able to compensate for relatively decreased binding to new viral variant antigens, potentially decreasing the public health impact of antibody response imprinting"

    The other study:
    "For any given viral copy number, the odds of anti-N seropositivity were 13.67 times higher for the placebo arm than the vaccine arm"
     
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    agree, at this point if people still don't want to take the vaccine, that is on them
     
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    Bill Gates has a new book out, titled Germ.

    He is proposing a pandemic team that would do what we did before Trump, closely monitor diseases around the world.

    I may do a thread on it later.
     
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    So?
     
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    So the risk that you get sick over time increase by each shot.
     
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    Is this risk greater than getting the disease would be if you were unvaccinated?
     
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    Yeh, that was called Standard Medical Practice....Before Trump

    Just on that alone Trump the rat-bastard is directly responsible for several million deaths worldwide. He's still a piker next to Hitler and Stalin but he's right up there with Pol Pot
     
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    Much greater according to some new studies. It increase for each shot because vaccinated have less and less natural immunity left.
    https://igorchudov.substack.com/p/moderna-knew-vaccinated-people-will?s=r

    At the same time the mass vaccination with a leaky vaxx put huge pressure on the virus to evolve to a variant that makes sure it survives the vaxx.

    So please people tell your government to prepare with antiviral drugs etc.

    That´s what Bossche says to.
    https://edition.cnn.com/2021/08/01/health/uk-scientists-covid-variant-beat-vaccines-intl/index.html
     
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    And he's a real piker compared to Joe Biden!

    In the middle of a pandemic he threw the border wide open
     
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