The vaxx prevent production of antibodies for new variants

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  1. dixon76710

    dixon76710 Well-Known Member

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    Nope, I only provide links ONCE. Especially for the willfully ignorant who cant roll their eyes up slightly.
     
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    lol, didn't think so
     
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    You didnt think what? The 70% is from post 45 THAT YOU FRIGGIN QUOTED, WITH THE LINK WITHIN YOUR QUOTE AND RESPONDED TO. The 85% comes from the linked to article in post 46 immediately after it. Willful ignorance. You are pretty good at it.
     
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    Healthy people don't need this inferior product. Some of us don't need Trumps rushed pharma product to maintain a strong immune system. We have 2 years of data.
     
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    I would like to know how bad the variant is. We don’t need Big Pharma pimping the need for immunization forever for everyone.
     
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    Real creative title…


    Real creative title…
     
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    No he doesnt.


    No he proposing creating a Global Epidemic Response and Mobilization—team
    Something that has never existed before. GERM for short.
     
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    Such strong opinions regarding matters you know nothing about. Gates is proposing creating Global Epidemic Response and Mobilization—team because we've never had one before and he believes we need one. We have the World Health Organization to "closely monitor diseases around the world". Remember when COVID started they were assuring us that there was no evidence of human to human transmission of COVID and condemned countries prohibiting international travel.
     
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    ~ Big government needs to be pimping the latest greatest "threat" to humankind in order to push totalitarian policies. :blankstare:'
     
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    By trying to stop flights coming in from China and Europe, while all y'all dummies called him a racist. LOL. The lies you guys tell.
     
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    Well he's just in time as the WHO meets with 194 nations to give him what he wants.



    And a new book too? Wow. Smart guy Dr. Bill is.

    And what about Natural Immunity anyway...



    Good thing Dr. Bill figured it out for us all, finally.

     
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    ~ Bill Gates and his magic crystal ball. Where would we be without him ... ? `:eyepopping:
     
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    But he's just a philathropist...
     
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    A lot of good that would do, several months too late
     
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    February 2020, and he wanted to do it earlier but you guys cried a lot, called names, pouted, etc.
     
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    And most of the nations that had much, MUCH lower death rates than us were doing it in 2019, and they coupled it with masking, lockdowns and widespread testing. Look at the rates of South Korea, a nation totally comparable with the US in all respects except being about a sixth of our population and understand they did nothing more or less than Trump was told to do from the beginning. Trump murdered over a million American citizens because he didn't want to admit he had been wrong.
     
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    I'm surprised he hasn't gotten into the space race against the other billionaires.
     
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    You're going in a circle here, classic Corona Astrologer tactic. You claimed he caused the spread of the virus in the US, which is retarded really. I mentioned how he wanted to close the border to planes from China and the US, effectively limiting those carriers from entering the country. Your ilk cried "racism" to keep them open. They stayed open. Now it's his fault.

    And we're at the beginning.

    Now you say that those nations who locked down harder had lower death rates...while that happened, but then the virus did what viruses do and they caught up mostly. Contrasting California's approach with Florida. 2 years later we see Florida, even with a more aged population, did better without all the measures Corona Astrologers like you propagate.

    You obviously don't like data or science, no Corona Astrologer does.
     
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    S Korea had 24,279 cases at last report, that's far from "catching up "with the United States 1.01 million

    Trump tried a very ineffective but blatantly racist attempt which did literally nothing but try to shift the blame and continued to ignore effective measures for the rest of his sorry administration. Thank god he was defeated, we'd probably have over 2 million dead by now
     
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    Trump brought 14 tourists back, without following CDC guidelines. Where they landed was one of our early breakouts, in the PAC NW.

    That was after he disbanded the White House pandemic team..

    Trump tried to downplay the disease for quite a while.

    I could keep going, but this is just more Rightys turning reality upside down.
     
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    You Astrologers always change the goal posts when you're wrong. Cherry picking.

    Firstly, you're confusing cases with deaths.

    US has 86million cases approximately. 1million deaths, and even still CDC has said specifically that that are not differentiating between dying from and with. I know the lines are confusing for those who want to believe strongly in Corona Astrology, but it's a fact.

    That's a case fatality of 0.011. It's higher than S. Korea as we'll see in a moment, but let's expand the goal posts a bit and include Sweden, a country with one of the most relaxed approaches:

    S. Korea has had 18million cases reported, or thereabouts. with 24,000 deaths. Case fatality of 0.0015
    Sweden had 2.5million cases and 18,000 deaths. Case fatality of 0.0072

    US - 0.011
    SKorea - 0.0015
    Sweden 0.0072

    Now that's if data collection is all equal, but we know it is not.

    Population:

    Sweden about 10.5 million people
    S. Korea about 51 million people about 5x more than Sweden
    USA about 332 million people about 6.5x that of Korea

    Mortality per capita:

    US - 0.003
    Korea - 0.0005
    Sweden - 0.0018

    US cases per capita - 0.25
    SKorea - 0.35 (higher than the US)
    Sweden - 0.25 (like the US)

    So your precious Korea had more cases per capita, but overall did better with case fatality.

    That suggests there are a lot of other factors at work here, obviously requiring more investigation over and above "Well South Korea totally killed it over the US" arguments...

    One simple argument made over and over again by actual scientists:

    Perhaps S. Koreans are generally healthier people with fewer co-morbidities and not as old a population?

    Let's take a look.

    As of July 2020:
    US over 65 = 17% of the population
    SKorea = 15.79%
    Sweden = 20%

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/241488/population-of-the-us-by-sex-and-age/
    https://www.statista.com/statistics/242558/age-distribution-in-south-korea/
    https://www.statista.com/statistics/521717/sweden-population-by-age/

    Sweden owns this, they're older, but had a lower case fatality than the US.

    Diabetics in Sweden between 20-79 = 5% of the population
    South Korea = 6.8%
    USA = 10.7%

    Yup looks a bit clearer now.

    I could do one for heart disease but the US will top that one too.

    So we have the comorbitity factor.
    The US wins out here.
    the US is older than Korea, but not as old as Sweden.

    And since we know that mostly over 81 with 2 comorbidities are succumbing to the disease we know that harsh lockdowns are useless. Quarantining the elderly with comorbidities. and the immunocompromised being cautious was always the best approach. The Swedish approach.

    That you would ignore the approach of Michigan, New York, and other States who had facilities available to put Covid + patients in, but sent them to long term facilities as causative factors in increase mortality is neat and interesting in and of itself.

    You twits are perserverant, that's for sure. Trump clearly "racist" against Europe and China...just not Russia and India because of that collusion stuff, right?

    Nothing changed after that, as far as "restrictions" go. Those were up to the States, but you wouldn't know that from being overseas, would you?

    I could do a contrast between California who had stricter restrictions than Florida, but you'd go on a Death Santis rant because you prefer Astrology over Science.
     
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    Oooh 14 tourists. I'm sure that lit up the deaths more than the thousands that were placed back into long term care facilities by Cuomo, Whitmer and other criminals. Sure, they didn't know better. Putting Covid + patients back in long term was a great idea, at that time.
     
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    Better proof of Mark Twain's old statement of "figures don't lie but liars figure" I never hope to see.

    And I prefer Honesty over Trumpology much more than astrology over anything (where did that come from anyway?)
     
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    You're hunting for an excuse, and you don't understand this at all.

    Trump created one of the early breakouts. We could have done it using CDC guidelines, it was insane not to.
     
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    This was all caused by applying politics, emotion and hysteria to a medical problem. They are Trump haters but they come off as anti-American.

    Since we don't do autopsies on people who died while testing positive for COVID we don't have any real evidence that COVID killed anyone. The doctors who signed death certificates naming COVID as the cause of death were guessing. They should have said the victims died of unknown natural causes since there was no autopsy. No doubt they died while testing positive. Not exactly the same thing. I've said this since day one. My layman's opinion is that COVID didn't kill any more than any other influenza, assuming influenza kills people. Honestly I don't know. I don't know because medical science doesn't really know.

    It is important to understand that government and its medical bureaucracies caused a lot of the problems. For a couple of examples, the CDC conferred with teacher union bosses before issuing school guidance. Union bosses have zero to do with health care in or out of schools. The doctors are at CDC. After the use of paper or cloth masks was shown to be ineffective, CDC continued to require them. They still do. I spent 3 days in the hospital last week. Everyone there is required to wear a mask. I showed up with an N95 mask which is considered to be somewhat effective. The security guard offered me a cheap paper mask like his assuring me it would be more comfortable. It probably would have been. But the event was laughable.

    Since S Korea has a larger percentage of cases per capita it says that their process was no better than ours and perhaps worse. Koreans are younger and leaner. A low death rate should not surprise anyone.

    Government policies caused a bunch of harm to our economy and cost all Americans dearly. And all of it resulted from politics, emotion and hysteria. The product shortages have hurt my business very meaningfully. I am angry about it. There was no excuse for it.

    I like your analysis. You made an informative post.
     
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