The Washington Times, Should AR-15's Be More Heavily Regulated

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  1. Well Bonded

    Well Bonded Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    In one of the most recent mass shootings, the perpetrator utilized a legally acquired, registered sound suppressor that was subject to the same restrictions and regulations pertaining to fully-automatic firearms. Thus making it worth citing whenever such a discussion comes up to show why more regulations are pointless, as more regulations do not amount to anything worthwhile.

    If the same type and degree of restrictions that apply to fully-automatic firearms cannot dissuade an individual from committing a mass shooting, no degree of firearm-related restrictions will work. Therefore there is no point in even trying.
     
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    And just as valid as anything you have ever posted.
     
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    Yep!

    Logged off and then logged on this morning and it let me vote again
     
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    So what, both sides can do the same.
     
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    Yes that is the point
     
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    Yea, but the numbers do not bode well for the GCA's.
     
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    Yeah while I don't agree with regulating AR-15s this poll is absolute nonsense and nowhere even remotely close in accurately representing the sentiments of the nation.

    While I would personally be happy if 97% of the nation actually agreed with me, this is the most meaningless poll I've seen in years.

    Sorry pro gun folks, I'm on your side, but trying to defend this poll is about as ridiculous than GCA's defending their beliefs that AR-15s are machine guns and does nothing for the cause except make us look completely foolish.
     
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    Then what is essentially being stated, is that online polls are much like public opinion itself? Subject to the whims of those who do not know what they are talking about, influenced by those who also do not know what they are talking about, based on mistaken potentially beliefs, and prone to random and unpredictable change?
     
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    Which is why all polls should be taken with a grain of salt and are not something to form policy or laws from.
     
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    Nope!

    There are things called bots which will tick over a poll like this multiple times ( cannot believe I am having to explain this!)

    Btw I voted again!
     
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    And again both side can do that so your point is moot.
     
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    Do bots differ from paid shills who are employed to stir up emotions in the public in an effort to shape and guide public opinion into what a particular individual or group wants public opinion to be?
     
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    Don’t know any paid shills but I do have my suspicions about those who post in Moscow prime time
     
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    But only one “side” stands to make money from the product
     
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    Voted again!
     
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    A poll can be made to give the results the people paying for the poll want to hear.

    Same same with science -- the people paying for the science can get the results they want to read.
     
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    And that would be the GCA's.
     
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    Pray tell how so? Which side of the discussion ultimately stands to experience monetary benefit in this matter?
     
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    Are other types of polls accurate?
     
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    U.S. Representative Doug Collins (R-Ga.), the ranking member on the Judiciary Committee, reminded people that calling semi-automatic rifles like the AR-15 “assault weapon” is designed to confuse those unfamiliar with firearms. He pointed out that some attribute the creation of the term to anti-gun extremist Josh Sugarmann, the founder and Director the Violence Policy Center. Sugarmann, Collins pointed out, stated, “The weapons’ menacing looks, coupled with the public’s confusion over fully automatic machine guns versus semi-automatic assault weapons—anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to be a machine gun—can only increase the chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons.”
     
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    Should the press also be more regulated?
     
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    No, even though they lie to their subscribers on a regular basis, and regulation would be subject of abuse by the powers to be at the time they are in power, doing so would be clear violation of the First Amendment.

    Not all that long ago a number of cities/counties tried to regulate the press by limiting press credentials to only what they considered to be real journalists, that being journalists who would not criticize those in power of the governments who usurped the authority to issue press credentials.

    A case involving that abuse of power filed by NPPA bubbled up to the USSC, and they handed down a decision that anyone who has been published in any manner, must be issued press credentials.

    Now the issuing authority can still background checks to assure the applicant does not present a criminal problem when provided access, but other than that no other restrictions apply.

    As a result of that a majority of those government issuer's of press credentials have given up and no longer have systems in place to restrict access to governmental meetings, pressers or whatever they may choose to do.

    Nowadays most press credentials are issued by the employers of those in media, or in the case of stringers are home made to look official.

    https://www.psprint.com/id-badges?&&s_kwcid=MARIN_16206|mkwid|siBkei60j|pcrid|266118942203|pdv|c|pkw||pmt|b|&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI9Lys3vv75AIVu4NaBR0Bgg1OEAAYASAAEgKd9_D_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
     
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    So the 1st amendment carries more weight than the 2nd? I have seen no where in the 1st where it says "shall not be Infringed".
     

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