The Wild West Goes to the Polls

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  1. truthvigilante

    truthvigilante Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I forget those of you who live on the other side of the Nullarbor, well the western side! Get the feeling that people are extremely unhappy! Like a QLD unhappy, with the direction the Barnett government has taken the State economically.
    Is it true he squandered the mining boom? Reports are that government debt sits over 40 billion. And debt is around 70billion in QLD but has twice the population and had several natural disasters! Something tells me that something is seriously amiss with how the coalition government managed the economy.
    I'm a bit over the LNP continuously trying to convince the world that they are a party of economic management. Hey maybe Labor aren't too much better but there is one thing that sticks out like dogs balls and that is that the LNP/ coalition or whatever want to call them have played on this for too long. People were so convinced of this that they throw these guys in government on the pretence that they will fix everything. I know that the soldered on won't see reality but you would hope that people start to see this furphy for what it is so that these group of clowns stop taking us for a ride.

    It sounds like a labor victory, but interesting to see how people move on One Nation!
     
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    truthvigilante Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    One Nation vote down significantly from previous projections but still concerning that so many people are still voting for the patchwork party of wannabes!

    Massive swings in numerous seats. The LNP need to go back to the policy drawing board and begin planning visionary and progressive policy that take the state and country forward! Sounds like Labors got a task on their hand and if they're not up to it, expect to have your asses removed. It's simple!
     
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    ALP could get 40 seats, over 2/3 of the lower house. Nats vote has held up, Libs have collapsed. Swings of 10%-20% in over a dozen seats. One nation vote has tanked - Greens have outpolled them handily. ONP might not even get a seat in the Upper House. Looks like that preference deal between the Libs & ONP was poison for both.

    This will have implications in Federal politics. Bunch of WA MPs will be wondering about their seats. The conservatives who want to roll Turnbull will be happy to use this against him.
     
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    Getting past all the election results, I would certainly hope your wrong with your analogy of Turnbull. He maybe a smarmy git, I may not like him but he did sit an election which he narrowly won, so it is about time the Coalition demonstrate they learnt from the ALP debacle and stop looking to populist beliefs and start actually working for Australians. It is not too late, but I do believe any attempt to change the PM again will be the death sentence for the coalition government this time around.
     
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    truthvigilante Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Good to hear from ya BF. Initially wasn't seeing those projected seats for Labor but wouldn't surprise based on what is happening.

    Greens surprised. Although not massive gains they certainly increased their take of the votes. But on those figures I think you are right about ONP's prospects of seats in senate.

    The LNP is on the nose federally and certainly would have had an influence on WA election result, hence Turnbull giving WA a wide berth!
     
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    The only thing keeping Turnbull alive is the lack of a clear replacement. Abbott is still too unpopular to do a Rudd. Morrison has shown that when he is expected to do more than be nasty to refugees he isn't up to it. Bishop doesn't have a power base and Dutton is too stupid to manage one of the easiest portfolios imaginable. Any young talent is too low profile.

    Of course, if Turnbull continues to tank in the polls they will knife him & put one of the above in the lodge. I reckon he is a dead man walking right now. He had his chance. Could have made a play for the centre, won a nice margin in the election & stared down the right off the back of the win. Instead he kowtowed to a right that would never accept him and blew of a centre that wanted to believe in him. Now he is reduced to pretending he is an Abbott-style sloganeering attack dog. You can see he doesn't even believe it himself.

    A poor leader the first time around & a poor leader now.
     
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    Even a week ago my WA sources weren't predicting a result like this. Maybe a narrow ALP win, but not this.

    The fact that Shorten made multiple appearances & Turnbull was told not to won't go unnoticed.
     
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    The Liberals hoped one nation would save them and Pauline now acknowledge the preference deal was a mistake...I think it's interesting voters were THAT fed up with bad financial management from the Liberals they wouldn't vote for One Nation because it meant the Liberals still remain in power.

    http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...e-nation-votes-collapses-20170311-guw5cv.html
     
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    I have no idea what you're talking about and BTW, dog balls don't stick out, they hang with inside a scrotum.
     
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    truthvigilante Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Nice analysis. There were lots of mumblings about Dutton becoming PM before the years out. Hey, maybe with some training and a make over the guy might do alright.....lol! The ultra right faction have nothing. They just want to shove drongos out to push their agenda and then you get nincompoops like Dutton putting up their hand. They had Abbott who made a monumental fool of himself and Bernardi thinks the country is in need of an ultra conservative but is clearly deluded and shallow. It's all about social issues, which includes 18c, Muslims and gays for Bernardi. They are so visionless it seems.
    You are right, Julie Bishop isn't conservative enough and won't stand a chance and probably smart enough not to put up her hand at this stage.
    Ultra conservtivism is dead in my thinking and until these guys realise this they will remain a dysfunctional party. Voters won't buy it. They're my thoughts anyway.
     
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    Righteo then! :roll:
     
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    Apart from being very pleased with the result I was heartened to see ON get slapped down. Well done Sandgropers.
     
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    Dutton as PM would be a disaster. :) The drift to the right in the LNP is a serious issue. Howard's legacy.
     
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    Queensland squandered a lot of the mining money on making the SE a pretzel bag of toll roads

    AND pouring so much money into the hospitals in SE that the waiting time for cardiac surgery is now "have you had breakfast"?

    Meanwhile the rest of the state is still choking on bull dust dirt roads with only sometime bitumen and please do not go there with the poor state of repair in many rural hospitals
     
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    Yeah This
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    truthvigilante Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Makes sense BB. It has been the case for many of years, hence reason why North QLDers are constantly pushing for a seperate state. Roads are ridiculous from Maryborough northward. Yet mining towns are predominately north of the state. I'd be filthy if I was a North qlder!
     
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    Absolutely D. Much respect to WA for not falling for her garbage, divisive politics.
     
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    Here, here..
     
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    Yes, I think you hit the nail on the head here. but if he was replaced I do believe it will take am extremely acceptable character or the entire coalition are dead people walking.

    Your last, I cannot refute...
     
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    Yeap,
    I was surprised by how much Labor won. The Greens picked up slightly, good on them. What will change?
    Bugger all, I am afraid to say.
    To stop ROE 8 will cost the country millions, as contracts just cannot disappear....
    Time will tell. Was a new government necessary? Hell yes....
    We need to give them a chance.....
    Cheers
     
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    OH Yes that's right, Western Australia I had forgotten about it. Hi Catts
     
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    Hanson's party won only two or three seats in WA and the One Nation brand may be old-fashioned now. Or WA voters may have been put off by her praise on Russian president Vladimir Putin. It was also only one poll in February that showed One Nation receiving 13 percent of the vote in WA, which could have been horribly wrong. But I think her party still could do well in other states. WA is geographically so apart from the rest of the country and information spreads to WA with a time lag.
     
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    2 or 3 seats in the senate and none in the lower house. It could have been possible that some people were put off by the Putin comment but think more so that her preference deals with an on the nose party actually did the damage. That in itself has caused some credibility issues for the One Nation Brand but think you are right, I don't think it will have too much affect in QLD. This is her turf, where it all began. They say that 85% of her voters were just looking for a party to stick it to the big 2. Sounds familiar when you consider Trumps situation. People were sick of the big 2. In Trumps case, what worked for him was that many of his own party members had disdain for him. Was it a strategy? Bloody good if planned but tend to think it was inadvertent. So he looked like he belonged to no one!
     

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