The Williams sisters.

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  1. Your Best Friend

    Your Best Friend Well-Known Member

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    Okay. You can stop arguing with me now.
    I'm not disputing the point.

    The Palm Beach Gardens PD says the matter is still under investigation. That's from your own Yahoo news account.
    Why don't you go talk to them about it?

    I'm still looking for the place where I blame Venus Williams for the accident. Someone did die in an accident there and blame has yet to be affixed (though it already was once, I seem to recall).

    Aside from that, news from there and police statements have been contradictory and confusing


    Great! I hope you get what you want someday.
     
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  2. Your Best Friend

    Your Best Friend Well-Known Member

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    Did someone not die in this accident? Did the police not claim Williams entered the intersection legally and then had to to stop for the car in front of her? The longer you go on the more confused and contradictory you get.
    I disagree.
     
  3. Matt84

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    "I'm still looking for the place where I blame Venus Williams for the accident."

    just like Venus Williams stopping in an intersection and then colliding with another vehicle so hard that it causes a death to someone in the other car."

    Someone did die in an accident there and blame has yet to be officially affixed.
    Right, but that didn't stop you from placing blame did it?

    Adjudicate means to make a judgement about an issue, and when you made the comment "just like Venus Williams stopping in an intersection and then colliding with another vehicle so hard that it causes a death to someone in the other car", that's exactly what you did.

    Then you made the fly-by comment that there was a settlement when there wasn't one. You thought you could make those comments and no one would call you out on it. That's why you're so defensive.

    So in review:
    There was a settlement, but you don't know where you read it.
    You're not here to pass judgement, but you've already decided that Williams was in the wrong despite the police report that saying she was legally driving in addition to the ongoing investigation.

    You were just counting on not being called out on it.

    Ok.
     
  4. Matt84

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    What's funny is that the new report came out July 7th which was two days ago and here you are still pushing a false narrative.

    You were so sure of it until there was even an "out-of court-settlement" according to you. But then you have the gall to holler about facts.
     
  5. Your Best Friend

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    I'm stating the bare facts of this case.....sorry if that pisses you off!

    Venus Williams did collide with another car, the result of in which, one person died.
    Police say she entered an intersection legally and then stopped for a driver ahead of her to make a turn.
    Which facts have I lied about here or twisted?
    I've not drawn any absolute conclusions, your incredulity notwithstanding.



    That's exactly what happened! How would you like me to disregard this or lie about it? Go ahead and tell me how I should state things so the essential and basic facts of this accident please you.

    I'm not defensive at all, however.
    Settlement or not (though I bet one is coming, as is the usual case in accidents like these....just ask Caitlin Jenner) http://people.com/crime/2675151/
    Maybe you'd like to dispute this settlement that was under similar circumstances.

    I haven't misstated a single basic fact of the report.

    But I've already conceded multiple times I can't find the source of that report I read. So basically you are calling me a liar over and over again, despite my mea culpa.
    So what is wrong with you?

    No. I don't know that she was in the wrong.
    From everything I've read however, including preliminary police reports, I don't know how you hit someone so hard, after a complete stop in an intersection, that the other person dies.
    I'm waiting for that public report that explains this.

    You know you don't deserve a speck of civility and I only wish I wasn't constrained by forum rules so I could say what I really think of someone who constantly misstates my position and ignores facts.
    But you are hardly worth getting worked up over. I sense you have other bigger issues in life to attend to.
     
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  6. Your Best Friend

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    I wasn't aware of the new report. It doesn't dominate my life the way this seems to
    be so big in your own little world.
     
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    Don't get mad because you got called out on your nonsense, so spare me the tears.
     
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    Spare me the asinine trolling.
     
  9. Matt84

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    The troll card doesn't getting you any closer to being right.

    No, Williams was not found at fault, and no, there was no settlement.

    You're wanting so bad for Williams to be guilty, now why is that?
     
  10. Your Best Friend

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    As Caitlin Jenner can attest guilt over a traffic fatality doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the settlement that usually follows.

    I've already dealt with the issue of a settlement over and over again so don't expect any reply to keep you occupied if there are any
    references to a settlement again. You probably won't get another anyway. And, yes, you have been reported, for what that's worth.
     
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    And? You're mad because you got called out for your non-sense. So why do you want Williams to be guilty so badly?
     
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    http://www.tmz.com/2017/06/30/venus-williams-sued-for-wrongful-death-in-fatal-car-crash/

    It's impossible to reconcile the statements of Venus Williams and her lawyer with the death incurred and totaled auto wreckage of the family that is suing her. Williams claims to be traveling only 5mph at the time of the wreck....how fast would the other car have to be traveling
    to account for the personal and automotive damage?

    And it's impossible to reconcile the initial police report on the accident with the second except that the Palm Beach Gardens police department might be doing their best to cover for one of their city's most famous residents....there is certainly no way to reconcile the two reports that are at great variance.

    Like Caitlin Jenner, another wealthy celebrity who was behind the wheel when an innocent person died due to her legal, yet negligent, driving, this matter is headed for a hefty and hushed up settlement, in all likelihood.

    People die while celebrities skate on by.
     
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  13. Ritter

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    Pffft. Everybody knows only thing Americans is better at than Europeans is baseball and that is because you are the only ones playing it. :D
     
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    I call BS. Links or it didn't happen.

    The Williams sisters are the more popular amongst Americans than ANY OTHER American tennis player in history, regardless of race. Only YOU have even mentioned their race.
     
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    I'm watching ESPN. They keep showing it on the ticker that her and her lawyers are trying to settle out of court. I'm unclear whether or not they actually have. If I were Venus, I wouldn't settle at all. Looks like a regular accident. Accidents happen.
     
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    online chats do not have links, just in case you didn't know

    and true, the Williams girls are very popular despite the fact that they had been booed at certain events such as at Indian Wells


    the girls are the USA's finest examples of athletic excellence and character
     
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    Over 50 mph. William's car was broadsided in the intersection by a car tearing through at high speed just as the light turned green.

    The fault would be with that fast-moving car, as all states have laws stating something like "a driver may enter the intersection if the signal is green and the intersection is clear". The intersection was not clear. Drivers have a duty to pay attention. A reasonable person would say that timing things to cross the intersection at a high speed just as the signal turns green is very unsafe. A responsible driver understands that there might be vehicles lingering in the intersection after the signal change.

    So, in my opinion, Williams should not settle, as she did nothing wrong, and the other driver is at fault. There's a temptation to "settle just make it go away", but in the long run, such settlements tend to make things worse.
     
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    If it all happened as you say then I would agree
    Williams is in the clear (though someone approaching an intersection at 50 mph
    seems incredibly unlikely).
    However the devil is in the details and we'll see what develops. Study the Caitlin Jenner case for one in which Jenner wasn't deemed
    legally responsible for the death of another but still wound up settling out of court as his, or her, driving was determined to be a factor in the chain event where someone got killed.
     
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    Exactly, especially since the police report said she is not at fault and was driving legally.
     
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    https://sports.yahoo.com/legal-impact-venus-williams-being-003855105.html

    The article neglected to mention that Williams can sue Barson for emotional distress, reckless driving and payment for the damage to her vehicle. Williams will be too classy to so this, unlike the party that hit her car.

    Doubt that she will, but she'd certainly be within her right to do so.

    I'd love to see the look on the faces of those that were ready to hang her before any investigation was conducted. Then again, those individuals will blame the HOF champion no matter what the evidence says. Oh well, they can live with their bitterness. Barson needs to hire a personal driver. She ain't getting a dime. ;-)
     
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    I can agree with this when it comes to Venus. As much as I admire Serena's athletic skill I can't praise her for her behavior.
     
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    Barson is certainly not a responsible driver and her husband paid for it with his life because of it. Not sure how she's going to live with herself.
     
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    I've always liked Venus more. But Serena is in a class by herself and it's not even close.
     
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    Serena is arguably the greatest female singles player of all time. Only Martina Navratilova and Margaret Smith/Court are in the same class. Both of those have more GS titles than Williams because they also played doubles - 59 to Navratilova & 64 to Court. Serena has 39. It is incredibly difficult to compare such achievements across eras. I suspect that given the same opportunities in the same era it would be difficult to split the 3.

    Venus is a fine player, but not in the same league. I hope she wins Wimbledon.

    Personally I like them both. They have been no worse behaved than a lot of other prominent players and better than many, sometimes under circumstances other players haven't had to deal with. Age has mellowed them, especially Serena.
     
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    don't confuse "civil" with "criminal"
     
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