Also find it amusing that you focus on a single element of my reply and wilfully ignore the rest . .you know the part that goes "As you know full well I actually agree with you on this discrimination, on BOTH parts, so how about answering the following - So simply put, if you want to highlight these radical feminists then have the decency to recognise and show that they are radicals and don't try to project this minority as the majority. Would you care to try and explain why it is that you consistently render a very large brush over all feminists in EVERY comment you make? "
Good grief. NEVER have I said women are the ONLY victims of domestic violence. That's something you made up along with so much other stuff you contrive out of your own head. It doesn't gel, though, once you put it out to others and to scrutiny. So stop making things up. White Ribbon is a police-led initiative. So complain to them. You found 'one', repeat 'one' source that didn't like White Ribbon and then used that 'lone' source to go on and on that White Ribbon use false data. ONE SOURCE. That's it? And you pit that lone source against the Police Commissioner, the police force and the Mayor who initiate and lead White Ribbon? Seriously. And calling me a member of a 'hate supremacist movement' only serves to show YOUR extremism. Your obsession with bashing feminism is 'perplexing' - to put it as nicely as I can.
Here you go, ryobi, please quote where I've said women are the ONLY victims of domestic violence: Men Unite to Stand Against Violence Towards Women: http://www.politicalforum.com/women...ite-stand-against-violence-towards-women.html Saying women are the predominate victims of domestic violence you equate as me saying women are the ONLY victims of domestic violence? Seriously, exaggerate and get things wrong much??! Getting carried away and not representing what people actually say is dumb. How can you be taken seriously if you MISREPRESENT what people say?
So you're saying you don't support an organization that portrays men as the only perpetrators of domestic violence and women as the only victims of domestic violence??? Because http://www.politicalforum.com/women...ite-stand-against-violence-towards-women.html
I've never said one negative thing about women. I've criticised feminism, but I've never said on thing about women. I'm an advocate of women. That's why I'm an egalitarean. I believe inequalities are wrong when those inequalities are a result of discrimination regardless of ones gender or race. You seem to think every woman is a feminist and every feminist is a women when this is far from the truth. There are many women who aren't feminists and there are many feminists who aren't women.
I never said you said women are the only victims of domestic violence. I said you support an organization that portrays men as the only perpetrators of domestic violence and females as the only victims of domestic violence. Misrepresent what I've said much???
Please quote where White Ribbon says men are the ONLY perpetrators of domestic violence. Please quote where White Ribbon says women are the ONLY victims of domestic violence.
Then stop equating ALL feminists with radical feminists, stick to what you know not what you assume. Do I, strange you can read my mind now, and to think that you are the one who equates being a feminists as being radical I find your assumptions on my position as bloody hilarious and hypocritical.
White Ribbon is Australia’s only national, male led Campaign to end men’s violence against women
If you do not conflate feminists with women then show me where I made one. "anti-women," rant or admit the only other reasonable explamation, you're lying.
I wouldn't call it lying, and fair enough my "anti-woman" comment was off the mark so I apologise for that . .as you can see, unlike you I am prepared to admit my errors. One wonders when or if you will admit that your comments are attempting to demean ALL people who are feminists by wrongful guilt by association and hasty generalization. So in essence I agree that within the feminist movement there is a radical element, just as there is in most other movements .. however, that does not equate that ALL feminists are radical which is what you comments attempt to show and until you start to admit that fact your comments should be treated with the contempt they deserve.
So, how do these, "feminists" differ from these radical feminists. Are they as or even more vehement about the sentencig gap as they are about the wage gap??/ If so I have never seen any evidence of it. Do they acknowledge that for the most part the wage gap is a result of choice and not discrimiation??? If so I have not seen it. Do they acknowledge that men are as often or even more often the victims of domestic volence as men are??? If soI have not seen it. Do they look at the post secondary achieement gap in education as a problem and not as a victory??? If so I have not seen it. Do they think it's a problem that boys are prescribed ADHD meds rnd three times as often as girls??? If so I have not seen it. Do they care that men committ suicide at a rate 4 times that of women??? If so I have not seen it. Do they think it's wrong that 68% of the homeless are men, yet there are more homeless shelters for men??? If so I have not seen it. Do they think it's wrong that family/divorce courts are biased against men finding in favr of women 5 to 8 times more often in favor of women??? If so I have not seen it. Do they think it's wrong tht breast cancer gets 3 times the funding of postrate cancer whie there are more deaths from prostrate cancer??? If so, I have not seen it. So what's the difference between a feminist and a radical feminist again???
Do these, "feminists," complain as much about over 90% of workplace deaths being male as they do about how many women are CEO's of fortune 500 companies???? If so, I have not seen it.
Why should feminists fight that 90% of workplace death are male? How many males have taken up that cause? I don't see any man's groups marching in the street making the point. I don't see Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Bill O 'Reilly talking about the cause... You want woman to fight your battles?
So you admit there's really no difference between a, "radical feminist," and a, "feminist" and you admit that feminists don't stand for equality REFRESHING
Still equating what you find relevant to others who may not I see, still trying to equate ALL feminists as radical I see, and still wrong I see. Here try and learn something; Radical feminism is a perspective within feminism that focuses on the hypothesis of patriarchy as a system of power that organizes society into a complex of relationships based on the assertion that male supremacy oppresses women. Radical feminism aims to challenge and overthrow patriarchy by opposing standard gender roles and oppression of women and calls for a radical reordering of society. Early radical feminism, arising within second-wave feminism in the 1960s, typically viewed patriarchy as a "transhistorical phenomenon" prior to or deeper than other sources of oppression, "not only the oldest and most universal form of domination but the primary form"[4] and the model for all others. Later politics derived from radical feminism ranged from cultural feminism to more syncretic politics that placed issues of class, economics, etc. on a par with patriarchy as sources of oppression. Radical feminists locate the root cause of women's oppression in patriarchal gender relations, as opposed to legal systems (as in liberal feminism) or class conflict (as in socialist feminism and Marxist feminism). Over the years radical feminists have been criticized for arguing that male domination of women is the ultimate source of all forms of oppression, for emphasizing sex-based discrimination at the expense of race- and class-based discrimination, for being unwilling to work with men to effect change through political channels and for marginalizing lesbian sexuality. Feminism is a collection of movements and ideologies aimed at defining, establishing, and defending equal political, economic, cultural, and social rights for women. This includes seeking to establish equal opportunities for women in education and employment. A feminist advocates or supports the rights and equality of women. Feminist theory, which emerged from feminist movements, aims to understand the nature of gender inequality by examining women's social roles and lived experience; it has developed theories in a variety of disciplines in order to respond to issues such as the social construction of sex and gender. Some of the earlier forms of feminism have been criticized for taking into account only white, middle-class, educated perspectives. This led to the creation of ethnically specific or multiculturalist forms of feminism. Feminist activists campaign for women's rights such as in contract law, property, and voting while also promoting bodily integrity, autonomy, and reproductive rights for women. Feminist campaigns have changed societies, particularly in the West, by achieving women's suffrage, gender neutrality in English, equal pay for women, reproductive rights for women (including access to contraceptives and abortion), and the right to enter into contracts and own property. Feminists have worked to protect women and girls from domestic violence, sexual harassment, and sexual assault. They have also advocated for workplace rights, including maternity leave, and against forms of discrimination against women. Feminism is mainly focused on women's issues, but author Bell Hooks and others have argued that, since feminism seeks gender equality, it must necessarily include men's liberation because men are also harmed by sexism and gender roles.
So you admit there is no real difference between a "radical male" and a "male" and you admit men don't stand for equality, based on your own logic you must admit that.
Didn't know that being a man was considered being part of a movement. Oh yeah according to feminists I guess it does, the patriarchy ooooh....scawey
Here's the quote by Foxhastings: 1. Thread: Double standard on abortion and child support """"I apologize for it and I guess we will never agree on this issue mainly because I honestly don't care if one little thing is unfair to men.... I can't even pretend to care since I know so much of history and how this world has treated women."""" So is Foxhasting one of these Feminists, "that is about equality" as you say the majority are, or is she one of these, "radical feminists," that's rarer than a diamond in your estimation????
Or rather... "The women you can consider for marriage" movement, lol. Seriously, who would want an angry man-hater who doesn't take care of herself? Being against feminism is just common sense and I hope that soon this movement won't be necessary anymore as the agitators turning our young women into feminists have passed away or have been ridiculed into silence.
Well if feminism stands for equality as Fugazi claims then shouldn't feminists care about inequalities effecting men to the same extent they care about inequalities effecting women, or do feminists only care about percieved inequalities when they effect women and at best they don't care about inequalities effecting men and at worst they look at inequalities effecting men as victories for women
What you discuss with another poster is nothing to do with me, and I seem to think it is a violation of the rules to use another posters name in an unrelated comments without their permission. and yet again you are equating a single persons position as the overall position of ALL .. more hasty generalization, when you can prove beyond reasonable doubt that the majority of feminists are radical then perhaps you might have a point, you cannot and you don't.
