The World Health Organization will stop classifying transgender people as mentally ill

The United Nations health agency announced Monday in its 11th International Classification of Diseases (ICD) catalog that "gender incongruence" -- the organization's term for people whose gender identity is different from the gender they were assigned at birth -- has been moved out of the mental disorders chapter and into the organization's sexual health chapter.
The change will be presented at the World Health Assembly, the WHO's legislative body, in 2019 and will go into effect on January 1, 2022.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/20/heal...onger-considered-mentally-ill-trnd/index.html

 

Good to hear people will be given a more straightforward approach to care for a medical condition.

 

I don't see how there's a medical condition.

 

You don’t have to. The ICD sees it as a such and that is what will influence people’s treatment options.

 

If the ICD is operating under Pure fantasy how do they keep from losing credibility?

 

I appreciate that that is your opinion, and maybe they have lost credibility with you, but they have made a decision on a medical condition. A decision I doubt they made lightly. I’d wager they are better educated on the condition than either of us.

 

When they start suggesting that being born The Sex You Are and some sort of medical condition that needs treatment there are going to lose credibility with education medicine Science and reality.

Being transgender is a mental condition

 

This decision ultimately reduces the stigma people face when seeking treatment for their condition. They are not suggesting people not be treated or even changing how they should be treated. If the move encourages a larger percentage of affected people to seek the treatment they need, then what is the problem? What benefit is it to you or anyone else that it remain labeled as a mental condition?

 

I don't see how it would.

so it's lip service.

depends on the treatment.

I am pretty sure pretending a problem exists that doesn't is damaging to the people supposedly suffering with it.

 

You can’t see how “You're mentally ill” holds stigma that “You have a medical condition” doesn’t?

Seems more like a reclassification to what they deemed a more appropriate category.

Seems that should be between the patient and the doctor, don’t you?

You think transgender people are seeking help for a problem they are not experiencing?

 

well nobody believes it's a medical condition so you're not going to erase the stigma of a mental condition.

Nobody believes it's a medical condition because it's not. So it's wishful thinking seems a waste of time for certain health organizations to do that.

No it's lip service.

even if it's abusive and causes psychological damage huh? Interesting I guess you support conversion therapy to that should be between the patient the doctor right?

well if you're seeking a medical help for a mental condition yes. If you're a perfectly healthy male and you don't feel like your male there's nothing medically wrong with you.

The problem is mental it exists in their mind nowhere else.

 

I’m not giving this any more time. I’m not changing your mind and I doubt you’ll change mine. And this conversation won’t change their decision, which I agree with.
Have a good one.

 

you aren't going to change your mind because you are rejecting the facts

you apparently can't deliver an argument for it. So the question becomes why do you agree with it.

If you don't want to talk about it then don't post on the thread

 

If nobody believes that it is a medical condition, then who are you arguing against? For you to make that argument, at least someone would have to believe that it is a medical condition. Additionally, for this change to have occurred several someone's have to believe that it is a medical condition. So your argument that nobody believes it is obviously wrong.

 

okay Captain literal most people don't believe it's a medical condition seems we need to learn what hyperbole means.

 

Given that only about 21% believe that it is a mental condition, I would say that your most is also hyperbole.

 

Well it is a mental condition.

 

And your doctorate is in what again?

 

oh so you need a PHD to possess common sense now?

A man who thinks he is a woman is somehow not mentally ill? It's this because some arbitrary organization simply declares it to be so?

 

There once was a time where common sense said the sun moved around the earth, and another time when common sense said interracial marriages was evil and sinful. So obviously common sense is not as reliable as you might want to believe it is.

An arbitrary organization would be like the Kiwanas or the Geological Institute, or some other organization whose studies and/or activities do not center around the medical field. But when it comes from the medical, psychological, and psychiatrical fields, there is no.douby that these individuals are better trained and.more knowledge that you or I. As I am no doubt better trained and knowledgeable than you and them in the field of electrical and truck driving, and you are no doubt better trained and knowledgeable than I or them in whatever field you specialize in.

 

but like the planets in the sun revolving around the Earth it was wrong and calling a mental disorder a medical condition is wrong.

well it's just like that this isn't the medical field it is the psychological field.

I doubt they are expressing any training here they're expressing political conformity.

So if you told me you could fly a truck at 30000 feet off the ground without an airplane or helicopter or a rocket or any other device besides the truck I wouldn't take you seriously.

And if I told you since my expertise is in metal that inside of metal there's a magical unicorns that hop around is that is clearly not true.

Basically telling me a psychological disorder is a medical disorder is like telling me that you can fly a truck.


It's preposterous and this should cost these organizations some of their credibility and I think it's going to. Kind of like the Southern Poverty Law Center and there randomly assigning hate group status to everything and anything that sounds slightly right-wing to them.

 

But they are mentally ill.

 

next up, people who claim that they are a different species will no longer be considered mentally ill.

Normalcy for pedophiles and necrophiles will be next

 

Define normalcy for pedos and necros. Both are psychological conditions that exist naturally in a person, whether or not they act upon them. Additionally, those actions normally associated with those conditions can be performed by someone with out the attraction or desire to.

If by normalcy you mean removing the stigma of possing the condition such that the individual can get help so as not to cause harm, then by all means let's normalize them.

Any other argument beyond that fails because for them to act upon those urges, they have to violate the principles of informed consent and property possession respectively.

 

I disagree with this normalizing something does not equate to people getting help for it it equates to it being another identity that we must learn to tolerate. The sorry the pedophilia must be stigmatized if it's not nobody will think there's anything wrong with them when they're most certainly is.

Look at the way we look at transgender people now. It's clearly a mental illness there's a reason why the suicide statistic among transgenders is staggeringly high. It's not because they have a disease or a medical condition.