The world is a far more dangerous place

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  1. EarthSky

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    The Trump Administrations recent decision to pull out of the INF nuclear treaty may be the beginning of a new arms race - one that puts the world in the most dangerous nuclear threat since the 1960's Both Russia and the US, who own 93% of the worlds nuclear weapons between them are modernizing their arsenals in a new arms race that could have dire consequences for the entire planet. The threat of Mutually Assured Destruction appears to be a thing of the past as both sides are upgrading to a tactical nuclear capability in which the use of such deadly weapons is not considered unthinkable anymore but something to be prepared for as a distinct possibility in any new war.

    According to Peter Kuzniak, Professor of History and Nuclear Studies at American University, one of the first talks between Vladimir Putin and newly elected Donald Trump was over the new START treaty signed between Russia and the US in 2010. Putin offered to extend the treaty.

    According to Kuzniak, Trump put down the phone and asked his advisers what the START treaty was. He talked to his advisers for a few minutes then got back on the phone and said that no, he didn't think the US would extend the treaty.

    So the US has announced it is going to abrogate the Antibalistic Missile Treaty of 2002, and now throwing out the INF, putting all the blame on Russia for it's European missiles.

    Some more background from Kuzniak:

    "The United States has accused the Russians of testing and deploying a Tomahawk cruise missile that we say has a range of more than 500 kilometers. The Russians say it does not have a range of 500 kilometers, that it’s a lower range. The United States is basing this on highly classified information. There is no transparency. The basis for their allegations have not been released. And the Russians have not done anything to convince the world that it is not over the 500 kilometer level. They have done that, apparently, in response to the U.S. deploying ballistic missile defense. The Russians allege that our missile defense has an offensive capability within the range of 500 to 5500 kilometers. So both sides are making allegations against each other.

    However the important thing is that the U.S. had decided to do this based on the urging, largely, of John Bolton. So Bolton became national security adviser in July of this year. He brought in Tim Morrison, another super hawk, onto the National Security Council. He had formerly been with the House Armed Services Committee. And between the two of them they took the initiative on arms control away from the State Department, and really away from the most in the Defense Department, and they are the ones who engineered this effort.

    Now, Bolton has never found a treaty that he likes. Bolton had pushed the United States to get rid of the ABM Treaty in 2001. He opposes extension of the New START Treaty. And in 2011, before the United States made any allegations about Russian violations of the INF Treaty, Bolton was already urging the United States to get out of the INF treaty."

    https://therealnews.com/stories/wit...-closer-to-doomsday-than-any-time-since-1950s

    The Bulletin of Atomic Scientists has moved their doomsday clock to two minutes before midnight. This is the closest to midnight it has been since the US and Russia tested hydrogen bombs in the 50's and the Cuban Missile Crisis in 1962.

    The use of nuclear weapons in strategic warfare is no longer off the table as the US and Russia have both ungraded their weaponry and are actively planning for a nuclear conflict they see as winnable.

    Very dangerous times. Why are people standing for this from our elected officials. This is the face of the self-destructive insanity of the human race in 2019.........
     
  2. scarlet witch

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    It's all about leverage... the US is blaming China and Russia but the truth is there are now quite a number of countries with nuclear weapons. Early last year the US did a Nuclear Posture Review, the Pentagon pushed for the development of low yield nuclear weapons that can be more readily used and therefore provide more leverage... (pose a greater threat to adversaries)

    The problem of course is these weapons are more likely to destroy us than the 100 kiloton yield bombs... because they are far more likely to be used, poisoning our air, our food, our water... and our children.

    https://nationalinterest.org/blog/b...imate-weapon-coming-us-navy-or-bad-idea-39042
     
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    The first arms race started well and good and then they realized they could use it to control the ignorant and buy of stock in arms manufacturing companies. That way they inflate the stock by saying "The Commies are coming we need MORE bombs, planes and bullets immediately" and then approving any price for anything destined or manufactured by them.

    This is just more of the same, another way to steal money me and other Americans. Trump is erratic but he would turn tail and run from office if he screwed things up to bad and let the other people fix things. A war against 2 super powers wouldn't be good for business but the threat of war is great.
     
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    Oh please, pretty much every nation has accused Russia of violating this treaty.

    Even Obama said they were.

    Our intelligence agencies said they were, you know who they are, those guys we are supposed to believe.

    Why are you so friendly with Russia I wonder?
     
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    maybe he just doesn't want to reduce every argument into a two sided back and fro .... yes they did... no they didn't.....yes they did... no they didn't.....yes they did... no they didn't.....yes they did...
     
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    "BRUSSELS (Reuters) - NATO allies 'fully support' the United States’ pending withdrawal notice from the INF nuclear missile pact over Russia’s actions, a statement by the alliance said.

    'The United States is taking this action in response to the significant risks to Euro-Atlantic security posed by Russia’s covert testing, production, and fielding of 9M729 ground-launched cruise missile systems,' it said.

    'Allies fully support this action.'”

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...upport-u-s-action-on-inf-treaty-idUSKCN1PQ4WX
     
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    Trump doesn't know diplomacy.
    He only has hot and cold. No warm.
     
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    Yeah, every NATO country? DUH!
     
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    Trump's response to Putin breaking the law?

    Get rid of the law, of course!!!! This is just more of trump's treachery and treason.
     
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    How different is that than Obama's response to Bush breaking the law? Congress' response to Bush breaking the law or Brennan and Clapper committing perjury?
     
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    This is the elected president committing treason [in intent] and putting the entire world at great risk.

    Your diversions and obfuscations are irrelevant to the point.

    When are his minions going to see the obvious: Their fearless leader is a traitor working to aid and abet a hostile nation.
     
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    I guess that is necessary to be the best negotiator in the world
     
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    The russians are cheating on the treaty

    Does that make you feel safer?
     
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    A damned piece of paper only keeps you safe until one side first breaks it.

    It is good to have the piece of paper while it is still working, but when it no longer works all it is good for is to throw it in the fireplace.

    Ask the Senecas about a treaty signed by George Washington, and then broken by JFK. The paper turned into no damned good.
     
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    when data suggests something it influences the 'plain old fashioned human folly' while re-enforcing their arrogance...
    yeah, ai played it's part ;)
     
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    If you want to do something about Putin breaking the law you got to go to war with Russia.

    Shuffling papers, MSM moaning & groaning, and long, boring UN speeches ain't gonna do jack.
     
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    we should covertly align with russia in a fauex escalation each side launching dozens of icbm's, but secretly set the target codes to the middle east, and say it was a horrible technical malfunction...

    then we can all live in peace ,as gazza no longer kills innocents over real estate... this 1000's year old warfare needs to end...
     
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    I was under impression that Russians were first to produce low yield nukes.
    We might see a point in our lives where use of nuclear weapons become acceptable.
     
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    Treaty is not a law and when one stops following it, another is being taken advantage of. What Trump did was pretty much acknowledging the facts.
     
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    That's what he says, but it doesn't seem to be working.
     
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    The world is a far more dangerous place for more people than ever living longer, and healthier, lives than ever. By every metric, human wellbeing is improving; but hey, you never know.
     

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