The world is a far more dangerous place

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  1. Mac-7

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    We dont live in a vaccum

    The damage done by obama has to be delt with
     
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    And we can hope that the consequences will be the same. There is no way Russia can compete with the US.
     
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    What damage did Obama do regarding a the treaty to keep Russian missiles out of Europe?
     
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    It is an unnecessary cash drain on our economy. Diplomacy brought us out of the cold war. It will bring us out of this. NO TAX DOLLARS FOR NEW MISSILES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    Obama said and did nothing while putin cheated on the treaty
     
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    Oh good, another professor with an opinion.
     
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    Totally unfounded crap. Try again.
     
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    Source for that information?
     
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    @Mac-7 getting beat up as usual. Nice to be back,
     
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    My post was to James Evans. But my advice to the armchair warriors is 'Don't wake up the sleeping bear, 'cos he'll bite you in the ass, and it will hurt a lot more than you think it will.' The only bellicosity and sabre-rattling that I see around here is not from Russia but from the west.
     
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    I did not ask you to play Go Fetch with your OPINION that trump hurt our position in europe

    Obama groveled to the russians throughout his time in office and looked the other way each time putin misbehaved
     
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    The danger of russia is the same as a jackel who will rush in while larger animals make the kill

    Russia by itself is no threat to the US
     
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    I think I know you well enough by now that you're saying that with tongue firmly in cheek?
     
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    WTF?
     
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    True - it's the other way around and that's why Putin is going on the defensive? Are those NATO exercises still going on in Estonia?
     
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    I dont believe putin feels threatened by NATO

    No one is going to attack rusdia and I’m sure he knows it
     
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    You're probably right - he doesn't GAF; but you have to admit that it's provocative, as well as highly expensive for western taxpayers? But I daresay the west's arms manufacturers and dealers are happy with the exercises, and are saying one unto another 'Long may they last!'?? :mrgreen:
     
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    You have to have exercises to be proficient

    Russia conducts exercises also
     
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    Yet it was Obama who approved putting provocative missile defense systems including SM-3's with potential offensive capability in Poland and Romania right on Russia's borders You don't think that Russia should feel threatened by that or the aggressive rhetoric that has been issuing from the US and NATO since the Maiden coup?
     
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    Yes, another of those stupid academics with actual credentials who study and teach international relations and foreign affairs..........

    Best to ignore and listen to some guy on the internet who knows much better than this fool anyway.....:)
     
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    Hubris of empires who convince themselves they are invulnerable and too powerful to fail.......even as they impoverish themselves in endless foreign wars and military adventures led by feckless leaders who marionette to an uninformed audience at home in the bosom of empire who think no one else is a threat.

    History is full of empires that fall this way.
     
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    You seem to be remembering it wrong

    Obama buckled under to russian pressure and did not deploy defensive missiles in poland and the czech republic

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052970204518504574418563346840666
     
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    you misunderstand

    Russia can hurt is but only if we are engaged somewhere else at the time
     
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    Sorry, I did get some of that wrong as Obama did cancel phase 4 of Bush's plan. But it was not so much buckling under Russian pressure as wanting to negotiate a "reset" in relations in consideration of Russian cooperation in Afghanistan and Iran among other places. The WSJ article was under a paywall but I did get up to speed from other sources:

    "The disputes over missile defense and the Kyrgyz air base provide hints of how the U.S.-Russian relationship will unfold during the Obama Administration. Greater flexibility on missile defense provides an opportunity to explore deeper U.S.-Russian cooperation in Europe, where recent conflicts over NATO expansion, the war in Georgia, and the January energy crisis make it especially urgent for Washington and Moscow to "press the reset button." Obama will still have to tread carefully. As he backs away from the Bush administration’s unwavering commitment to missile defense, he will have to reassure the Eastern Europeans (especially the Poles) that their interests will not be sacrificed as part of a deal, especially as Obama has also been cooler toward further NATO expansion. Obama will also need to avoid tempting the Kremlin--increasingly worried about domestic instability resulting from economic troubles--into manufacturing a new European crisis."

    Finally, it would also be helpful if Washington could use the recent thaw with Moscow to explore moving beyond limited cooperation on hard security issues. A Russian leadership that is less concerned about attempts to expand U.S. influence in its strategic "back yard" is less likely to cause problems for Washington, in Afghanistan, Europe, or elsewhere."

    https://www.cfr.org/expert-brief/tricky-us-russia-reset-button

    It was about diplomacy and trying to get Russia on board with what would eventually become the Iran deal to limit missiles and nuclear aspirations.
     
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    The unproven allegations that russia sunk hillarys presidential campaign do not help diplomacy
     

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