The World to Come

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  1. Starjet

    Starjet Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Friendly. I think not.
     
  2. Starjet

    Starjet Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I have no problem discussing ideas, but abhor data and statistics—they’re pointless in regard to ideas and principles.

    It’s like arguing who shot the first shot of the revolution, the Minutemen or the Red Coats?

    Irrelevant. Is it not? The shot was fired, and the revolution for liberty against British tyranny began. Liberty won. The ideas of Locke prevailed. Americans became rich. The rest is history.

    I have gone back and read some of your posts. They mostly attack, rarely defend or present an idea.

    So, I’ll ask straight up: In any conflict between the rights of man and the needs of the many, who do you side with?

    Also, do you know what syntax is?
     
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  3. Heroclitus

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    It's not the most critical point but it's not completely irrelevant.

    You see history has different versions. The story of the Revolution is largely made up to suit a particular point of view. I think it is interesting to know if 3% of American colonists or 33% supported the American Revolution. I have heard both numbers. I also heard that the people who signed the Declaration of Independence were a motley bunch but that a year earlier they agreed on nothin other than the fact that they did NOT want independence (I heard that in Philadelphia from a guide). Facts are important unless you want idealised history...made up to support a political point of view...again a version of history that Ayn rand would abhor because she could see what had happened in Russia with that kind of nonsense.

    So you need some facts and statistics or the ideas get too fuzzy. But it is the ideas that are interesting yes.
     
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    Thingamabob Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    "Sure thing, Barney."

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  5. Striped Horse

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    For the record, a body claimed to be Bormann's has been "discovered" at least three times over the years, if memory serves. In 1998 DNA tests showed that a body found in Berlin in 1972 was that of Bormann.

    Of course, that does not preclude him dying in Paraguay and his skeleton being returned to Germany and re-interred - only to be "rediscovered", tested for DNA (mitrochrondrial DNA to be precise). The skeleton was, after all, smothered in red clay that is alien to Germany but local to Paraguay.



    This, of course, also assumes that the DNA wasn't fabricated which is possible as Israeli scientist's have demonstrated which was reported in the NYT's article in August 2009 (HERE). The author of the scientific paper, Dr. Dan Frumkin, concludes that "you can just engineer a crime scene."

    The following is just some of the proof that Bormann escaped to Argentina (later moving to Paraguay after Peron lost power) where he managed post WWII Nazi assets. Below Commissioner Colotto speaks of his personal knowledge and meetings with Bormann at the Plaza Hotel in Buenos Aires.



    Then we have Colonel Ian Bell's account on Bormann's escape:



    Should one have any remaining doubts I recommend a careful reading of Paul Manning's excellent Martin Bormann: Nazi in Exile where he details Bormann's escape via a ship from an Italian port. Manning, a well respect American newspaper man, had access to a confidential report from the FBI and describes Bormann escape in detail. A free downloadable .pdf copy of his book is available HERE.

    There are a number of other books that also focus on Bormann's post war survival. The best of these are William Stevenson's (another respected reporter - Canadian) The Bormann Brotherhood and Ladislas Farago's Aftermath: Martin Bormann and the Fourth Reich, and Hugh thomas's excellent The Unlikely Death of Heinrich Himmler that covers Borrmann's death in Paraguay circa 1959. Thomas had access to a Paraguayan intelligence report confirming this (HERE).
     
  6. Striped Horse

    Striped Horse Well-Known Member

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    I came across the below article on The Duran. What caught my eye were the comments about the old, sly (now sadly deceased) very insightful Gore Vidal and a book of his that was disappeared Orwellian style:

    "Worth mentioning is another of Vidal’s books ‘Perpetual War for Perpetual Peace’, which was published in the USA, but then, as he remarked wryly, it ‘vanished’ to all intent and purposes. Not a single American newspaper was prepared to review the book. There was no publicity and no advertisements were accepted. As a well-known public figure and broadcaster, he received seven invitations to appear on different television programmes. Five of these were soon cancelled. CNN had invited him to debate his views, but the programme was cancelled half an hour before it was due to commence. The instructions evidently came from the top level in Washington. Do the words Orwellian or totalitarianism spring to mind and of course covert censorship seems far more prevalent today than it was then."

    I had forgotten how far back this sort of media strangulation extended; anything tellingly revealing about the god awful greedy rip-off machine-men that rule us must be made invisible. People must not think for themselves; they must be though controlled by the thought police or suffer the consequences of being an un-person.

    In our propaganda age it is not only a case of the state, corporate and corporate media lying outrageously to us, in order to shape and guide our focus; it is also just as much about concealing from us the actual reality in order to keep us un-focused and fuzzy.

    Meanwhile, there is much in the article - and the one below that by Vidal himself that caused such concern to the elite - that should occupy many of us.

    http://theduran.com/the-end-of-the-u-s-imperial-system/

    Below is Vidal's article that formed part of his un-book Perpetual War For Perpetual Peace that reveals US plans for the post 9/11 world that was set in motion some years prior to 9/11. I was particularly taken with Gore's following para:

    "Ahmed sums up: `Brzezinski clearly envisaged that the establishment, consolidation and expansion of US military hegemony over Eurasia through Central Asia would require the unprecedented, open-ended militarisation of foreign policy, coupled with an unprecedented manufacture of domestic support and consensus on this militarisation campaign.'"

    Ah, The Grand Chessboard. All is explained below:

    https://ratical.org/ratville/CAH/EnemyWithin.html#p1

    The world is a far sadder place without such clear thinkers articulating so skilfully.
     
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    Oh brother...
    Ok you're out. I have no time to waste with silly conspirasionist nonsense. In the loonie bin you go.
    Beu bye!
     
  8. Striped Horse

    Striped Horse Well-Known Member

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    Game, set and match I think...
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Thank you for the honest statement, that you are ignorant of the US Constitution. You would fit in nicely in this country. Ignorance of and disrespect for the Constitution is very much in fashion.

    Why do you think that Maduro must be replaced by Guaido? Does his ascension to the throne comply with section 233 of the Venezuelan constitution? Does it even matter to you?
     
  10. Starjet

    Starjet Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    America? An Empire? and a dying one? Just for the record, where are here colonies?

    Do politicians use their political power and influence to engage in bribery and extortion to steal money, influence foreign governments, and enrich themselves? Agreed. So the solution is more democracy? Absolutely not. What is needed is less democracy, and more restrictions on government power. In other words, more liberty, not more democracy.
     
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  11. Heroclitus

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    Yes it was an honest statement. Yours was not. I am not ignorant of the American Constitution. I am ignorant of many of the "how many angels can you get on a pinhead" controversies about the Constitution that fill up cyberspace. I am similarly fairly well informed about Christianity, but I don't follow every crackpot sect in America to understand their theories on the rapture or the end of times.

    I would fit in nicely in the USA. I am a big fan of the American Revolution. I choose not to live there, although I very briefly have (for a few months).


    I certainly do not see the Venezuelan constitution brought in by Chavez as something in the same league as the US constitution. In a political environment where there is government control of media, persecution of opposition politicians and rampant corruption amongst government officials, I do not accept that plebiscites or elections carry infallible weight.

    Maduro should be replaced because he has usurped the role of the legislature, which was elected in opposition to him by the people despite persecution by the government. He rigged elections and rigged the judiciary and abused human rights.

    The head of the legislature is a suitable person to take over whilst elections are organised. I believe this is in the Venezuelan Constitution.

    I also think that for the benefit of Venezuela, the USA and other powers should not in any way seek to influence those elections.
     
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    OK, you are not ignorant of the Constitution, but you are unable to cite that part of the law that authorizes the federal government to overthrow legitimate governments around the globe absent a formal declaration of war as defined in the law you claim to 'not be ignorant' of.

    If you are not ignorant of the law, but you cannot cite that part of the law that sustains your view, why should I take you seriously on this matter?
     
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    Starjet Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    “...for the general welfare”. If memory serves, it’s called the “enabling clause”. It basically gives the government the power to do whatever it wants to whomever it wants for any reason it deems necessary to promote “the general welfare”.

    But let’s go a step deeper: What gives any one the right to violate anyone eles’s right to liberty: The morality of reason.

    For example: I look out window and see my neighbor in his house strangling a women. It would be reasonable for me to violate his property rights and take any and all rational measures to end the attempted murder of the woman. It doesn’t change just because you’re a tyrant of a nation; a tyrant who uses political power and a gang of enforcers to do the slaughtering.
     
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    Goodness, you could work for the Ministry of Truth! Memory doesn't serve you well--the meaning is more mundane, and is found only in the Preamble.
     
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    By turning the economy entirely over to a central bank (the "Fed), we've painted ourselves into a corner. Now, we can proceed onward, with the Federal Reserve System controlling money supply, interest rates, "rescuing" who it wishes, and "picking winners and losers", or, our entire economy will collapse in an immense, almost incalculable vacuum of debt and worthless "money".

    As much as I detest ALL central banks (including the European Central Bank), we'd better just continue to "go-along-and-get-along", letting the Fed run and control everything. Yes, that is financially irresponsible, and fundamentally unconscionable -- but the alternative is uncontrolled chaos and a complete breakdown of American (and European) society.

    Only two major-league nations in the world aren't ruled over by central banks -- Russia and China. Unfortunately for us, neither of them has any motive to really help any nation in "the West" that foolishly allowed central bankers to take over everything in the first place.

    Hint: The Federal Reserve System was brought into existence in the United States in 1913 by Woodrow Wilson and other liberal, "progressive" Democrats. We'll NEVER get rid of the damned thing now....
     
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    The FED doesn't run the economy. It runs the money supply. The economy is much more than the money supply. If we can't get rid of the FED then we have to adapt. The government has infinite power and no competition. There is much choice but to fit into reality.
     
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    Yes, you are right. We are forced to accept the dominance of the Federal Reserve. It controls money supply, and it controls interest rates. It decides who to "rescue" and who it should let "fail". It controls whose worthless "toxic-asset" paper to buy hundreds of billions of dollars of, and which other companies will have to choke on the results of their own stupidity, fraud, and criminality.... Think: that monstrous FOUR-AND-A-HALF-TRILLION-DOLLAR-'balance-sheet' that the Fed has now didn't just appear out of nowhere.... 8)

    If you ever doubt the smothering, all-powerful influence of the the Fed, watch the reactions of the stock market(s) when anyone among
    Fed 'insiders' says ANYTHING about ANYTHING. Their merest 'god-like' utterances can cause the stock market to soar, or to go into a death-spiral.

    No, we're permanently infected with the Fed now. And I agree, with must live with it for as long as this country lasts -- like a man learning to live with incurable cancer... until it finally kills him....
     
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    Hmm. Well, actually, it’s also referred to in the tax and spending clause.

    Perhaps it was the establishment of the CIA, that gives America the right to interfere where she sees fit.

    Though, personally I think it was the first shot of the American Revolution—Liberty! First, last, and always.
     
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    Here’s the story. America is evil because her capitalistic society values the dollar over the will of the people. Furthermore, the reason Socialism, Social Democracy, Communism, or any other collectivist system fails is because greedy capitalist America robs the poor and starves them do death.

    That about right?
     
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    I am sure. Your claim that we have "stolen" Venezuela's democracy is BS and your belief that big bad Donald is going to steal their democracy in the future doesn't change that fact.
     

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