The World to Come

You suggest we hand our countries over to immigrants? That problem is resolved by people who understand what Democracy is by making sure everyone has equal rights. Chavez sorted that out from a situation where the indigenous people were kept without them and hence in poverty and abused. The problem of racism hence does not come from the current or past government but rather from some who still maintain the coloniser mindset supported by the US. It is important to remember that prior to Chavez, Venezuela's economic situation was not much better to how it is today and had been in this situation since the 80's. Many of the colonialists however still managed to have a good life and in the below clip Fernando Cutz, one of the key advocates of the US coup lets the reason slip out what kind of democracy they intend on getting from the US coup.

https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1096279079744143360

 

For most of VZ's history the US approved a long line of former military leaders who were also corrupt capitalists with a decided bias for the elite.. Sort of like the Shah of Iran.

The immediate circle around the leader (dictator) prospered in entitlement.. without a care for the people.

 

"Sort of"? VERY MUCH like the Shah.

 

Yes, I do see Iran and Venezuela repeatedly put together from the US position, now and historically.

 

Yes, your position has been thoroughly explained--you support the criminal actions against Venezuela brought by Trump, Pence, Bolton, Pompeo and Abrams. Yessir, you have aligned your position in this discussion with that of criminals.

Somehow you're proud of that, and all I can say is to each his own.

In the halls of government, your chosen position aligning with the crooks is very much in fashion.

 

I was hoping that I misunderstood his earlier posts and that the explanation I asked for would show that he doesn't "support the criminal actions against Venezuela". Unfortunately, he'd rather let his earlier statements represent his convictions.

 

Simple solution: Capitalism—your life; live it.

 

Dominionist fundamentalism is poison. It is the religious manifestation of an authoritarian fascist theocracy to come. It is 100 percent hostile to constitutional republican representative democracy.

 

Interesting: Socialist AOC is proud she drove the capitalist pig Amazon from New York. And yet many can’t understand what happened to Venezuela. Go figure.

 

Who do you think you are? The school principal?

Sorry if you haven't got the attention span to read the thread.

 

Your tradition, like that of Maduro, is the tradition of show trials, witch hunts and the downright fabrication of lies to throw against your opponents. The above quote is a small, tiny example. You deem it to be true because you have written it. There is no evidence, no examples, in fact the evidence only refutes such allegations.

These childish tantrums should be a warning to anyone who reads them. How do Marxists and their supporters think? How do they act? How do they lie and how do they deceive? How are they a constant threat to open and free societies?

The clues are even in the names these people now use to name their countries. How many "people's democratic republics" are dictatorships run for a tiny clique? Where are the people? Starving or in re-education camps. What is democracy? It is power to the workers as represented by the Party. How is it a republic? Because it serves the people, in the way the PLA served the people on June 4th 1989.

So lies are nothing new. They are central to Leftist populism as much as to that of the Right. When the truth is not black and white, lies must make it so. Outrageous, clear, untruthful lies. And then you just keep saying it, refusing to cite evidence, over and over again. Do that enough and the lie becomes the truth. That's how the Marxist Left works. Always.

It's a useful reminder, in case we had forgotten.

 

I am no one in particular, just a fellow member of this forum who (as with most members) assume that you and I are here to express our opinions and to either share them or debate in their favour. If asking to clarify your convictions (in the hope of coming round to an agreement) angers you .... well.

I have read the thread and in an effort to dispell what seemed like an unsavoury notion ... you doubled-down on it instead and have taken offense.

In any case, I thought we were in agreement that this dialogue isn't 'worth continuing'. If all you have to offer is the same old piffle you needn't have bothered entertaining me with an additional installment.

 

Neo Liberalism is not capitalism, It is simply a way to bring back feudal society. It looks set to cause human extinction. You followed the wrong God.

 

[QUOTE="Eleuthera, post: 1070219431, member: 68681"

Yes, yes, the democratic process is valid only in the US. Others are imposters. LOL[/QUOTE]
Nonsense. Most democratic political systems work well. In Venezuela, Russia and a few others, the system has moved from democracy to dictatorship. the elections always choose the dictator because the dictator sees to it. There is nothing democratic about the current system in Venezuela. Democracy is in their rear view mirror. What the U.S. is trying to do is get rid of the corrupt dictator who is destroying his country so that the political system has a chance of returning to democracy and perhaps turn a disaster around.

 

What a load of crap. If you at least understood what Democratic principles are all about you could have avoided this silly reply of yours. But the fact is you don't really know what Democracy is and how it is (or can be) appraised.

 

I don't follow any God, and the only thing I worship is liberty.

Ayn Rand: "Since knowledge, thinking, and rational action are properties of the individual, since the choice to exercise his rational faculty or not depends on the individual, man’s survival requires that those who think be free of the interference of those who don’t. Since men are neither omniscient nor infallible, they must be free to agree or disagree, to cooperate or to pursue their own independent course, each according to his own rational judgment. Freedom is the fundamental requirement of man’s mind."--http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/freedom.html

In other words, leave your guns at home, Mr. FAES. They have no place in a free nation.

https://special-ops.org/49272/special-unit-faes-strikes-fear-in-venezuela/

And that's the trouble with democracy--the masses are asses and will always elect a psychopath who promises them the unearned in exchange for their souls.

 

No, from what I have seen the only thing you worship is neo liberalism. I will grant though that they claim to be worshiping 'liberty'. The only liberty they worship is the liberty to be able to destroy Democracy and allow the richest to gain all power - liberty for the tiny few to rule over everyone else - a new feudal era.

 

Nope. I fight for the right of free men to trade freely that which is their’s for that which they want; and against the collectivist altruistic policies that demand free men serve society for the sake of the greater good.

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/scie...gence-self-aware-robot-arm-ai-columbia-lipson

AI BREAKTHROUGH: Scientists build ‘self-aware’ robot able to REPAIR ITSELF

I do wonder what is going to happen long term.

1. Women, once educated and having reproductive rights do not want to have kids at replacement levels. They do not "owe" men sex. They do not want to have sex at the rate men want to and are pickier when choosing a partner than men are, leaving many men incels or TFLers.

But men like MGTOW are increasingly threatening to take their ball and go home. Better masturbation aids, exogenysis to make babies that can be raised by automatons.

2. If women are seen by men as sex object with whom to be partners in reproduction, and they replace them with robots, what do women see in men? Warren Farrel says they see men as "support objects". What happens when we have self repairing robots (already happened, linked above). Suppose they are self reproducing? And improving? Creating clean renewable energy form themselves? How long till we are pets to them and they can provide (and support) all. I could see them becoming smart enough to do it all, from paving roads to neurosurgery. (Been going on 20 years since human chess champions stopped trying to beat the most powerful computers like "Big Blue" at that game. Think what has happened in computing in that 20 years).

A world without scarcity? We're not there yet and until we are, Capitalism proves to be the best way to arrange wealth and liberty. But how long till we are there?

 

I think Rand is interesting. But there is something very dated about both her style and her philosophy. I do wonder why she has followers who make objectivism sound very much like a religious cult.

 

Nonsense. Most democratic political systems work well. In Venezuela, Russia and a few others, the system has moved from democracy to dictatorship. the elections always choose the dictator because the dictator sees to it. There is nothing democratic about the current system in Venezuela. Democracy is in their rear view mirror. What the U.S. is trying to do is get rid of the corrupt dictator who is destroying his country so that the political system has a chance of returning to democracy and perhaps turn a disaster around.[/QUOTE]

Those international observers at the last election in Venezuela seem to disagree with you, there sitting in your armchair.

 

And from a distance you were able to count the votes and monitor how the government handled them. Amazing. My position derives from common sense. People do not vote for leaders who destroy their country and their lives. It simply doesn't happen. Your position is pure Russian propaganda.

 

Random communist weirdos selected by the Maduro regime to rubber stamp their rigged election are not generally known as "international observers" though I dare say if myself and my dog had turned up in Caracas at the time the words above would technically have applied to us. It is more useful to refer to observers who were accredited by reputable international organisations (i.e. the EU, the UN etc.). You have no quotes to endorse the election from any of them.

The elections were condemned as rigged and unfair by the UN.

It seems those people who are so keen to talk about "international law" are not in the slightest way embarrassed by that. The UN it seems has let down the Left in this one and suddenly the collective reaction of the international community is not so important any more!

Apart from nations relying on Venezuelan oil, those nations who recognised the Stalinist fraud have solid records in their own jurisdictions of vote rigging, banning of political opposition and suppression of any free press, including the jailing and extra judicial killing of journalists.

The elections in Venezuela were similarly marred by disqualification of opposition politicians, extra judicial killings, lack of freedom of the press, use of government bribery of the poor, and probably ballot box stuffing. The results were rejected by the US, the EU and nearly all Latin American countries (the Lima Group).

Those who claim these elections are fair are those nations and individuals who have track records of imprisoning and killing journalists (Turkey, Russia, China), using State funds and State owned media to wage partisan political campaigns (Russia, Turkey), killing or imprisoning opposition members (Turkey, China), rigging electoral processes through ballot stuffing etc. etc.

This is the state of the international left. It used to be split between blind apparatchiks who would support any blood soaked cabal who were against open societies, and principled idealists who rejected the humanitarian crimes of Marxist Leninist murder gangs and their friends. The principled lot have disappeared (to be like that required a political education, a love of ideas and an intense curiosity, all things absent from the modern Left). As to the Stalinist yes-men and sycophants, once they supported the tanks rolling into Budapest, or Prague or the streets of Beijing. They called the Moscow show trials bona fide purging of traitors. They claimed reports of millions dying of famine caused by Marxist Leninist ideology to be "capitalist lies". During the twentieth century first they were against Nazis, then they were allies with them, then against them again, purely on the basis of the party line that emanated from Moscow. Those pale and dead behind the eyes people have not gone away. Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose. Their heirs live today and rally behind tyrants like Maduro.

Here they go again. Like the Bourbons, they have learned nothing and forgotten nothing. Now they clamour for the triumph of a caudillo like Maduro. Now the "four legs good, two legs bad" grunting troglodytes (that Orwell so aptly described) parade their thuggery in government and their supporters rally behind them on forums like this. They wage an international campaign to bring tyranny, murder, starvation and catastrophe to those of us who still have the freedom to discuss these matters without threat of a prison cell, loss of livelihood or imprisonment of our loved ones and friends.

Beware of this authoritarian Left, as much as you are beware of the KKK, or fascists on the Right who call for the destruction of the institutions of the Free World. You can see it in the language and argument used by the Left and their supporters - philistine, thuggish, juvenile and deeply deceitful. The spirit of Felix Dzerzhinsky is still going strong. Communism was a blight on the world that destroyed the human spirit of hundreds of millions, even billions of people. It is an abomination to irresponsibly demonize leftists (like Orwell) who have the courage to disown these tyrants. But it is absolutely appropriate to register the thugs and hooligans who make up the communist elites today (in Venezuela, in America or wherever) as the enemies of open societies, the opponents of freedom and the architects of tyranny.

 

Conservative Christians are looney

 

Same reason 2+2 = 4.