The Worst President in History

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Have you read this book

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  1. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well what can one do to please a Democrat? As to Trump vs racist, so far wrong no point in discussing.
     
  2. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This is about the book about the worst president. I think I will get it in audible version. I finished Major Dick Winters book and that is wonderful. He was a leader with the screaming eagles in WW2. He also played a role in the Korean war, though not in combat. When he died, that meant the screaming eagles in Easy Company on the day of Normandy have all died. A strange thing for me is I spent a few day in his city when he was alive but was not thinking of bothering him. After his book, it would have been nice to go on over to his farm to meet him. He sounded like a good guy who likes people. Too bad he died.

    I was for a few months in Airborne and the 82nd loved to call the 101st the puking buzzards.
     
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    you don't think we will ever have a President worse than Trump... I hope your right, but I doubt it
     
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    we already had worse, 8 years of worse, just prior to trump...
     
  5. FreshAir

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    I admit the republican controlled Congress was bad, But Obama did just fine
     
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    So instead of 44 he is 42?

    So, taking that into account, he's the 3rd Worst?

    Cool...:salute:
     
  7. Dayton3

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    What about Nixon? Or Lyndon Johnson? Both lost tens of thousands to troops in Vietnam fighting a war that we ended up throwing the towel in regarding and of course with Nixon you have Watergate and presiding over one of the worse recessions since World War Two?

    What about Harry Truman? Poor domestic administration at home. Poorly run Korean War abroad.

    What about JFK? Along with Khruschev took the world closer to nuclear war than ever before or since. Yet "resolved" that situation by giving away the farm to the Soviets.

    What about Coolidge who played a staggering huge role in setting the stage for the Great Depression?

    What about Taft who was so horrendously unpopular that he won (barely) all of two states in his reelection bid?

    What about Pierce who helped make the American Civil War inevitable?
     
  8. Dayton3

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    He gutted the U.S. military. Something the U.S. has still not gotten over.
     
  9. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Isn't this just a replay of how you used to talk bad about G.W Bush?
     
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    Huh?

    Name the wars Trump started?
     
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    You should look some of this up
     
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    No, that was all quite true. I'll add that just because Trump has the power to withdraw us from treaties doesn't mean he should do so. Defending Trump's terrible decisions by claiming that he has the legal and constitutional power to make them is absurd.
     
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    So many to choose with so little time.

    Warren G. Harding has to be the worst. He was a consummate political hack. His administration was wracked with corruption. His personal life was immoral, having several mistresses while in office. He may have been murdered in office, poisoned by his wife, but no one cared enough to actually investigate because everyone was so glad he was gone.

    Andrew Jackson (the President, not the poster) was illiterate, racist, and had very little understanding of the Founding Fathers intentions. He organized and set into motion the Trail of Tears. He pushed through a Constitutional change to allow popular voting for Senators which arguably was the single act which made money the king of politics.

    Richard Nixon is the only President to resign under threat of exposure of his corruption. He was paranoid, distrustful, and just plain psychologically unqualified to be President. The misdeeds of Nixon led to the election of feckless Jimmy Carter which was a pretty miserable 4 years for America.

    Obama, Trump, and W cannot be evaluated at this time because there has not been enough time to see how their policies have turned out.
     
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    You realize the recession had already started by the end of 2007 and that Congress passes the yearly budget the year before, right?
     
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    Clinton's crime bill has to be up there with worst decisions made by a president in the last 100 years although I would suspect many Orange Man Bad cult members will disagree.
     
  16. Bluesguy

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    Do you realize January is the beginning of 2007? And yes the FY2007 budget was passed by the Republican Congress and had a paltry $161B deficit. The Democrats then took over for FY2008, how'd the do?
     
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    Exactly. You have to be extremely skeptical of anybody who says Trump or Obama. Do they have goldfish memories?

    Also why does nobody mention LBJ when it comes to modern era presidents? A series of disasters and bad decisions that clearly go straight to Johnson.
     
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    Lol. Gutted. Lol.

    Military budget was bigger when he left office than when he got in.
     
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    Warfare has changed.. or hadn't you noticed?
     
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    Apparently Takei really, REALLY liked . . . Hillary.
     
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    Is that the conclusion the book came to? Rating presidents is very subjective, dependent upon what criteria one uses to rate them. With the benefit of hindsight, I'd say JFK had the potential to be a very good president, if he had been given the chance to finish out his two terms. He had a lot of personal indiscretions though that would have eventually caught up with him.

    In my lifetime, I have the least regard for LBJ and Obama, and the most regard for Reagan and Trump.
     
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    now seriously, you know ignoring time lines is a classic trumpian defense along the same lines as the effect as the cause.
     
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    don't blame him for repeating trumpian bullshit that can easily be debunked with fact, but then again, trumpians never let facts get in the way.
     
  24. Robert

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    Which book? I voted for JFK and LBJ but looking back on both, they were not very good presidents. Take the Cuban missile chrisis. How the hell did he stumble into that problem? Cuba is so close to America his agents easily can keep tabs on them. So how did the Russians sneak up on him and put nuclear warheads there?

    LBJ, what the heck made him want a war with Vietnam? What the hell was he thinking? He managed it but had no training on managing wars. And his dictatatorship vs his Generals was horrendous.

    Abe tops all horrible presidents. Count up the dead. Had he sucked it up over the heavy fort, that had no losses or injuries to what the South did, due to the cannons of the South being vastly inferior, he never would have invaded VA. VA had not attacked him. So why attack VA?

    Frankly for years I was truly a huge fan of Abe the outlaw. When I visited a good many war sites, I got taught valuable lessons.
     
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    That doesn't alter the need for a strong military. Unless you're one of these that actually believes all future conflict will involve drones and cyberspace (which is utter idiocy).
     

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