The Worst President in History

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  1. Nemesis

    Nemesis Well-Known Member

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    As a matter of recorded fact? Wowee! I guess that he must've broken the law!

    *LOL*

    Perhaps when you're finished with the histrionics, you couod elaborate, and use some sources?
     
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    Do you enjoy reading The Gateway Pundit and Breitbart?
     
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  3. Durandal

    Durandal Well-Known Member Donor

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    The Republicans, in control of both the House and the Senate, did not impeach a president who broke three laws because he was half black? That doesn't quite add up.
     
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    I think we could actually afford to spend a little less.
     
  5. Dayton3

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    One of the most utterly irrelevant statistics.

    1) The U.S. military costs 5-7 times man for man than other militaries. Mainly due to being virtually all expeditionary forces.
    2) The U.S. has more commitments and responsibilities than the rest of those nations combined.
    3) The U.S. spends lavishly on its troops in other areas which are expensive (like medevac) in order to minimize the deaths and injuries of its soldiers.
    4) The U.S. provides a "nuclear umbrella" for dozens of other nations. A lot of nations don't bother deploying nuclear weapons because they know the U.S. would retaliate on their behalf. Personally I think a lot of nations not having nuclear weapons is a good thing.
     
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    You're absolutely right! The venal, cowardly Republicans in both the House and Senate knew perfectly well that Obama broke the law, but NONE of them wanted to be tarred with the curse of being called a RACIST by the hyperliberal mass-media propaganda machine. Sure, he broke the law -- nobody even bothers to dispute that. But nothing in the American political world could be worse for some 'white-bread' Republican guy than than to be seen accusing a law-breaking president WHO HAPPENED TO BE BLACK! So, Of COURSE he wasn't impeached.... Obama's skin color was his 'get-out-of-jail-card'!
     
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    I've written about this numerous times over the years... but here's a recent condensation of how Obama broke the law:

    1. Broke the War Powers Act of 1973 by overthrowing the legitimate government of Libya in 2011, when we were completely at peace with Libya, and when Libya posed absolutely no (NO) threat of any kind to the United States of America. Obama didn't even bother to inform Congress of his action BEFORE he ordered the attacks -- a very clear breaking of the law. Hint -- a "UN resolution" does not (NOT) permit any president to just blow off following the exact language of the War Powers Act.

    2. Recess Appointments in 2012 that were so obviously illegal that not even Obama's own hand-picked stooges on the Supreme Court, Sotomayor and Kagan, would support him. The SCOTUS ruled unanimously that he broke the law!

    3. Swapped five high-ranking Taliban field commanders out of the GITMO facility in 2014 in return for Pvt./Sgt./Whatever Bowe Bergdahl. This broke a LAW that Obama himself had SIGNED INTO LAW HIMSELF, only the year before.

    There are many who also feel that Obama broke the law when he DELIBERATELY LIED to the American people about the foundational principles of his "Obamacare" schemes -- including the lie about how American families would save $2,500 dollars every year! But, because there's no specific law against a president telling LIES to the American people, Obama couldn't be charged with a crime for that.... :angel:
     
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    Yeah, right. They just didn't want to be called racist. I'm sure that's it.
     
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    Obama caused great destruction to our country, he started mass Civil Disobedience, violence against police, he put men in womens bathrooms.
    He started us down this socialist path and he did absolutely nothing for working americans but let them suffer.

    He broke the record for the most unemployed and the record for the most americans on food stamps, he must be proud.

    He started the hatred towards israel that the left has and he gave iran and half a billion dollars to build nukes.

    He was the worst president of my lifetime
     
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  10. Robert

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    Nikki Haley in her great selling book mentions how we were completely not respected by the United Nations. Nikke speaks a lot about resolution 2334 where Israel was raked over the coals by the rest of the world and all Obama and Mrs Powers did was stand aside and let it happen. All she had to do was vote no and it was killed. So Obama hung Israel out to dry. Fortunately for Israel, Haley brought in the Laundry and solved that issue.
     
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    Obama was a snake, who had the complete protection of the liberal media, they did not report any obama negatives, they protected him.
    He was all for iran and the first president to snub israel. He gave Iran half a billion dollars and they still kept right on developing nukes.

    He didnt even mention Irans civil rights abuses, burying women up to their necks and stoning them to death for being "merely accused" of adultury, I could go on and on. The left hates israel and toss's sugar cookies at the murderous regimes of the middle east.
     
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    The mandate, fundamentally trying to change America from individual to collectivism is why some people call obama the worse.
     
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    While Obama did not create the police state, he fully utilized it, used it rather effectively to quash political opposition and continues to do so to this day... the never ending "investigations" of Donald J Trump and the continuing attempt to up end a duly constituted election and the will of the People. They have done their damnedest to make a one party state, and if HRC had won, that's what we would have. Communist and fascist would be envious.
     
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    Nice try M
    Nice try Margot. What is it you think he isn't working on that is important to you. He may be temperamental but dumb is he is not. He is a disrupter in a city, country and world that needed to be shaken. Has he tried to get the USMEXCAN deal but is being blocked by Pelosi. He is waiting for funding of our military troops but not a peep from Nancy. He could have had the wall built across our Southern border by now but again Nancy has blocked every effort to do so. I guess Nancy wants Trump to restore our support for Iran so they can continue to fund death and destruction across the Middle East. Trump is so mean I'm sure many Dems would like to have him restore the ISIS Caliphate. Perhaps Trump shouldn't have given Ukraine the military hardware to use against Russia and just given them some more blankets. Trump should drop all this tariff stuff according to some Dems because the world liked us better when we were bleeding billions and footing all the bills. Trump is still waiting on Pelosi to come to the table and work out a immigration reform bill that would include a pathway for Dreamers and others. The cricket's are chirping. Meanwhile Trump is tired of waiting and is reaching out many nations, friend and foe, to strengthen our position in the world. He hires and fires people to get the job done in finance, justice, housing, homeland security, military readiness, fighting opioid addiction and other illegal drug traffic. He spotlights the ill's of the inner cities so that the country can have a conversation about some solutions. Again cricket's. 1000's have been removed from the welfare rolls and food stamps, but, Dems think this is a bad thing and mean spirited. So Margot, what is it you would like to see a bi-partisan solution for. So far all you your Dems have come up with millions of dollars being spent, that could have been used elsewhere, on a rigged impeachment inquiry.

    So far I haven't seen any candidate on the left who inspires me to vote for them. You may think I'm a political hack but I have supported Democrat Presidents in the past, Obama his first term as the latest and Clinton on his first term. I voted for the Democrat in my district over the Republican because she was better qualified than he was. Yet I find many of my Democrat friends, who are like Nancy and Catholic that HATE Trump. I ask, why, and all I get is he's mean. I'll never understand snowflakes.
     
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    Nice try Margot. What is it you think he isn't working on that is important to you. He may be temperamental but dumb he is not. He is a disrupter in a city, country and world that needed to be shaken. Has he tried to get the USMEXCAN deal but is being blocked by Pelosi. He is waiting for funding of our military troops but not a peep from Nancy. He could have had the wall built across our Southern border by now but again Nancy has blocked every effort to do so. I guess Nancy wants Trump to restore our support for Iran so they can continue to fund death and destruction across the Middle East. Trump is so mean I'm sure many Dems would like to have him restore the ISIS Caliphate. Perhaps Trump shouldn't have given Ukraine the military hardware to use against Russia and just given them some more blankets. Trump should drop all this tariff stuff according to some Dems because the world liked us better when we were bleeding billions and footing all the bills. Trump is still waiting on Pelosi to come to the table and work out a immigration reform bill that would include a pathway for Dreamers and others. The cricket's are chirping. Meanwhile Trump is tired of waiting and is reaching out many nations, friend and foe, to strengthen our position in the world. He hires and fires people to get the job done in finance, justice, housing, homeland security, military readiness, fighting opioid addiction and other illegal drug traffic. He spotlights the ill's of the inner cities so that the country can have a conversation about some solutions. Again cricket's. 1000's have been removed from the welfare rolls and food stamps, but, Dems think this is a bad thing and mean spirited. So Margot, what is it you would like to see a bi-partisan solution for. So far all you your Dems have come up with millions of dollars being spent, that could have been used elsewhere, on a rigged impeachment inquiry.
    So far I haven't seen any candidate on the left who inspires me to vote for them. You may think I'm a political hack but I have supported Democrat Presidents in the past, Obama his first term as the latest and Clinton on his first term. I voted for the Democrat in my district over the Republican because she was better qualified than he was. Yet I find many of my Democrat friends, who are like Nancy and Catholic that HATE Trump. I ask, why, and all I get is he's mean. I'll never understand snowflakes.
     
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    Obama is the Worst President Ever and it's not even close.

    In fact, he should be indicted along with a lot of his staff and thrown in jail.
     
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    You restored my faith that there are at least a few Democrats willing to applaud Trump and to ask Democrats about their bad tempers.
     
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    Too true. The worst President will be the last one.
     
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    Two things: One, he "fell in love" with a leader we're still technically at war with. That should have resulted in impeachment, then and there. Treason.

    Two, he undermined faith in our elections by lying about supposed massive election fraud (millions of people voting illegally), and dismissing Russia's hacking of state election computers.

    The second is by far the worst. If faith in the election process disappears, things will get violent because no one will accept the results of an election. No President should EVER call into question the integrity of our elections.
     
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    I consider that merely a figure of speech.
     
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    Love him or hate him, Obama was hugely influential. Obamacare changed the landscape of the political conversation we have about healthcare (even the Republicans don't want to go back to the pre-Obamacare days), vastly expanded the power of the Presidency with his executive orders, and continued the murderous drone-strike policy. He also presided over an economic recovery after the crash of 2008, but he won't be remembered for that.
     
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    The fact that you don't know for sure is a problem. Either Trump was being serious or he wasn't. If he was being serious, then it's treason. If he wasn't being serious, then he was talking out his ass. Either one is disqualifying, in a President. Presidents have to watch what they say. They can't leave things open to interpretation. If you don't know when to take a President seriously, that President has no business being in office. Get rid of that person and get someone in there who can speak literal truths.

    You didn't even address the biggest problem, which is Trump's attempts to undermine our elections. Why did he lie about millions of people illegally voting? Because he lost the popular vote? Who knows. But the fact that he did lie about it is disqualifying.
     
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  23. Dayton3

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    Should Reagan have been impeached and removed from office for his comments over an open microphone that "I've just signed legislation banning Russia. We start bombing in five minutes".

    IIRC the commander of a Soviet base actually picked up parts of that and put the base on alert.
     
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    No, because those comments were never intended to see the light of day. Apparently, it was done during a pre-speech soundcheck. Had Reagan said that at a rally or at a press conference or had he intended for that joke to get out, then yes, I would have supported removing him.

    As it stands, it was a stupidly irresponsible thing for a President to do.

    Can you address the part about Trump lying about millions of people illegally voting? Did that not bother you?
     
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    Not at all. I figure he was simply speculating. Which by the way I believe that happened regardless of what Trump said or not.
     

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