The would be gun grabbers position all shot to hell

It is my understanding from research done by Candace Owens that never has a NRA member been charged with murder.

 

That has mo relevence to the harm the NRA does.

 

I got this from a link already on this topic.

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USA – -(AmmoLand.com)- When we talk about firearms,there is a LOT of misinformation and … outright lies told by the gun grabbing left.

For the left gun control is a means to an end, a way to gain power. Not to save lives. This is one of the reasons their programs fail. They don’t want to stop shootings but use them to retain power.

Here are the facts they choose to ignore. Facts YOU can use.
There are approximately 120,000,000 gun owners in the US. We are the majority of voting adults.

53% of all shootings are by black men under 30. So, 3% of the US population does more than ½ the killing. 83% of all shootings are gang and drug-related.

Only about 7% of all shootings from a rifle or shotgun and less than 40% of that 7% involve Modern Sporting Rifles.

The U.S. ranks 11th in mass shootings for industrialized nations. 50% of the counties in the US will not have a murder within their boundary. 2% of the counties had 53% of all the murders in the U.S.

Both Japan and Korea have much higher suicide rates than the US. Both nations virtually ban private gun ownership. 75% of all gun deaths are attributed to suicide. Guns are not the cause, just the means.

An Obama administration study showed guns are used over 500,000 time a year to save a life or prevent crime or assault.

U.S. Numbers

• Total Number of gun deaths: 38,000
• Suicides: 28,500
• Gang and Drug: 7,885
• Remaining: 1,615

If not for gangs and drugs, the number of murders by guns is below 1,700 in a county of 330,000,000 people. Remove the gangs and drugs, and the US is one of the SAFEST countries in the world.

So fellow firearms owners – here are facts – the REAL facts

You’re reading this online, so share it. SHIFT the paradigm. For the left to face the reality that gun ownership is not the cause of violence. It is the left's failed social programs of welfare that destroys families, and open borders that bring in opioids that destroys lives, that are the real cause of gun deaths.

Use these facts, fight for our rights with EDUCATION and the TRUTH!

We have a country to save.

Oh, where did I get these facts? The FBI unified crime report. They’re all there for ANYONE to see.
Also check out the Crime Prevention Research Center.

About Don McDougall


Don McDougall
Don McDougall is an NRA instructor and member of the Los Padres “Friends of the NRA” committee.

 

What harm? I told you the NRA is not the source of those killings.

 

It would be awesome if we stopped illegal aliens showing up. That would dramatically cut down on gun deaths.

We Americans who actually have our freedom at stake do notice the actual source of gun deaths is virtually never discussed by Democrats. I guess only they know why.

 

Lets see if you can find proof that illegals have a higher rate of murder than US citizens?

And the source of gun deaths is obvious. It is people with guns.

 

That is like saying owning cars creates a class of humans who drive over pedestrians on purpose.

Have you actually looked at cities with a lot of illegals to note the rise in gun and knife deaths?

Do you realize you are defending criminals? They broke federal law. Most are hustled back to their own country. Here as non citizens they do kill more than their share of people. I will not defend illegal people

You are lumping honest people merely due to them owning guns. I own a pistol that has taken down some animals. But my pistol never walked away and shot a human. .

 

Did you mean to post this to someone else? Not sure what this has to do with the post you replied to

 

A great many of them indeed are.

Indeed it had.

Prove it.

 

How many people you know own even 1 nfa item

 

And that is relevent exactly how? But yes I do know one!

 

Really would you care to provide your data as to exactly how many Americans have been disarmed by the so called gun grabber laws.

 

You forgot to provide your proof thst illegals have a higher rate of committing murder than American citizens. Am I surprised?

 

Did I mention higher or lower rate? I believe that is what you discussed.

I wonder why you lobby on this forum for illegal aliens? Care to explain it?

Introduction

https://cis.org/Report/Examination-US-Immigration-Policy-and-Serious-Crime

 

You statement obviously one you are unable to support with evidence:

" It would be awesome if we stopped illegal aliens showing up. That would dramatically cut down on gun deaths."

AND i don't lobby for illegal aliens. Just like to make fun of posters who missrepresent the truth.

 

I see ...

You post to make fun of posters.

 

Such data would be presented, if it could be demonstrated just how many citizens of the united states have been priced out of legal firearm ownership, either through excessive fees for the exercising of their constitutional rights, or through outright prohibiting the importation of easily affordable firearms. But such data extends all the way back to the end of the civil war, meaning there is over one hundred and fifty years of data to sort through.

 

People used to order NFA items pre NFA through the mail cash on delivery.
Or just saw off a shotgun because they felt like it. Etc.
Now? You know 1 person.

And you contest the fact that firearms restrictions are intended to keep people from owning firearms?

 

Firearms restrictions are intended to keep people who should not own firearms or are incompetant to handle them properly or are mentally impaired from posessing guns they can use to hurt themselves or hurt other people. Strange how gun advocates can ignore such a simple fact and be gullable enought to believe the gun grabbing nonsense.

And yes I know one person who has an arsenal you wouldn't want any civilian to own. And he does have issues but fortunately he is not deranged enough to be a Trump supporter.

 

So to put it simply you have no evidence to support your position. Why do you bother to make statements that you cannot actually support? Do you think you won't be called out for making stuff up?

 

Actually NFA was intentionally calculated to price those items out of the hands of the poor or "those people" as the committee referred to them.
Hence the $200 tax stamp per item in the 30s, which was the same scheme used for narcotics they were "legal" you just had to have a stamp they wouldn't give you. That "tax stamp" priced it out of most peoples hands, and the arcane hoops you have to jump through make it still more difficult.

The NFA, GCA Hughes amendment etc are all unconstitutional. I should be able to buy a machinegun through the mail without Id paid cash on delivery just like you could pre NFA

But you feel free to be completely wrong.

 

First, demonstrate precisely how firearm-related restrictions are intended to achieve the above goal.

Second, explain precisely why they are failing at doing just that all throughout the country. Not simply in one state or another, but rather in all states, even in the state of California.

Then the person being referred to on the part of yourself is a member of the drug cartels in the nation of Mexico?

 

Evidence is indeed had, in the form of the legal fees a person must pay simply to get a permit to own a firearm in certain states. In the state of New York alone, the fees for the paperwork to legally own a handgun, not to carry but own, cost more than the market price of a new handgun. If that is not a deliberate effort at preventing private individuals from legally exercising their constitutional rights, then explain the rational and legitimate reason for the fees being so high.

Such as what, precisely? Shall we discuss the total handgun prohibition in the district of columbia that lasted for over thirty years, and affected the entire population of the district?

 

Sorry but you have provided zero evidence of the hugh amounts of people priced out of owning guns. When you have data get back to us otherwise just stop making things up without any evidence.

And of course the DC provision was just the government both Republicans and Democrats recognizing that they would be safer without the populace having access to guns? Strange isn't it that the politicians care so much about their own safety while not really giving any thought to the rest of America.

 

Since there are no areas where universal background checks actually are law I assume your questions are only rhetorical or originate out of ignorance of the facts.