There Are No Permanent Secular-Political-Solutions To Spiritual Problems.

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  1. Durandal

    Durandal Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    "My view is that permanent change can not come through political laws and
    through the “political process." It is impossible to solve human problems apart
    from the supernatural power of God Almighty, and His Son the Lord Jesus,
    and the power of the Holy Spirit."

    That's an odd view in light of the fact that we solve our problems by means entirely other than an imaginary god and its imaginary demigod son.
     
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    "we solve our problems"___Durandal
    That is not entirely true.
    First thank you for reading my article.
    And thanks for your comment.
    Back to "our problems" , , ,
    The main problem we all have is looming Death.

    You're not going to solve that one.

    If you die a natural Death and live to be 90
    and if you are now age 60, then you have a mere
    360 months left to live. If age 70 then you have only
    240 months left to live.

    Science, Empiricism, and Rationalism are not going
    to "be there for you" when you lay dying on your
    Death Bed and your Doctor shakes his head and
    walks away. What are you going to do then? To solve
    your problem of Death? Don't you want to keep on living?
    Does not the thoughts of never being able to use your
    mind again, make you sad? Never being able to enjoy
    food, sunsets, warm beaches, books, movies, restaurants?
    Doesn't that make you sad and unhappy to believe that all
    that you love will end forever?



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  3. Durandal

    Durandal Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If anything will solve the "problem" of mortality, it will be science. Wishful thinking about an afterlife isn't changing anything objectively. Whether you lie dying with thoughts of going to an afterlife or acknowledging that you are entering the unknown, it's going to be the same thing either way - you will die. The end.
     
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    So believe in god because your scared of death! No thanks making the most of the amazing life I have now will do for me! So much to learn so much still to see, so much fun to be had.
     
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    It will not be the end.
    * See "The Solution To The Problem Of Death" Bolded red.
    * It requires supernatural power to defeat Death.
    *Science does not, and cannot, deal in the supernatural.
    * A shortie below , , , interesting.
    ____________

    The Death Of Lazarus:
    "On his arrival, Jesus found that Lazarus had already been
    in the tomb for four days.

    Now Bethany was less than two miles from Jerusalem,
    and many Jews had come to Martha and Mary to comfort
    them in the loss of their brother.

    When Martha heard that Jesus was coming, she went out
    to meet him, but Mary stayed at home.

    “Lord,” Martha said to Jesus, “if you had been here, my
    brother would not have died.

    But I know that even now God will give you whatever
    you ask.”

    Jesus said to her, “Your brother will rise again.”

    Martha answered, “I know he will rise again in the
    resurrection at the last day.”

    {The Solution To The Problem Of Death}
    Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life.
    The one who believes in me will live, even though
    they die; and whoever lives by believing in me will
    never die.


    Do you believe this?”

    “Yes, Lord,” she replied, “I believe that you are the
    Messiah, the Son of God, who is to come into the
    world.” John 11: 17-27



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    * I'm glad you have an amazing life.
    * It doesn't have to ever come to an End.
    * There is supernatural power available.
    to give you Eternal Life.

    Jesus Raises Lazarus From the Dead
    "Jesus, once more deeply moved, came to the tomb.

    It was a cave with a stone laid across the entrance.
    “Take away the stone, ”he said.

    “But, Lord,” said Martha, the sister of the dead man,
    “by this time there is a bad odor, for he has been there
    four days.”

    Then Jesus said, “Did I not tell you that if you believe,
    you will see the glory of God?”

    So they took away the stone. Then Jesus looked up and
    said, “Father, I thank you that you have heard me. I knew
    that you always hear me, but I said this for the benefit of
    the people standing here, that they may believe that you
    sent me.”

    When he had said this, Jesus called in a loud voice,
    “Lazarus, come out!”The dead man came out, his hands
    and feet wrapped with strips of linen, and a cloth around
    his face.

    Jesus said to them, “Take off the grave clothes and let him
    go.” John 11:38- 43



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    * Death is not the End.

    * Here is a magnificent quote from
    The Lord Of The Rings. { J.R.R. Tolkien }

    * It is Gandalf's short speech to Pippin.

    * They were under attack and it looked like they
    would be killed at any moment -- they were
    facing Death, and Pippin said , , ,

    “PIPPIN: I didn't think it would end this way.

    GANDALF: End? No, the journey doesn't end here.
    Death is just another path, one that we all must take.
    The grey rain-curtain of this world rolls back, and all
    turns to silver glass, and then you see it.

    PIPPIN: What? Gandalf? See what?

    GANDALF: White shores, and beyond, a far green
    country under a swift sunrise.

    PIPPIN: Well, that isn't so bad.

    GANDALF: No. No, it isn't.”

    ________

    John 3:16


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  8. Ronald Hillman

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    If only you could prove it! Unfortunately for you there are many people who have offered eternal life and not one, anywhere, ever has been able to show it.They are all liars, snake oil salesmen, ignorant or fools If you think you can be the first person in history to show there is eternal life be my guest.
     
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    * Christianity is a Faith.
    * It advances in the world supernaturally.
    * The supernatural cannot be measured with Empiricism.
    * Hebrews 11:6 below is the path to Faith, which will then
    lead to John 3:16 and Eternal Life.
    ______

    "And without faith it is impossible to please God, because
    anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists
    and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him."
    Hebrews 11:6

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    Durandal Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Bible stories have no authoritative quality. They're stories. You might as well cite Lord of the Rings. All this stuff about Lazarus and Jesus demonstrates is my point about wishful thinking, i.e. Christians wishfully thinking that there will be a "supernatural" resurrection of the dead because they were promised it in a book written by people who also condoned slavery and thought the earth was flat and was created in six days.
     
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    * I understand your position.
    *Thanks for reading my stuff. I appreciate that.

    * Explanations:

    ■ Many Christians post what they post because we
    believe that the Holy Spirit works through the truths
    of what you call "stories" to reach the hearts and
    minds of readers.

    ■ The stories are at least to some extent interesting.
    You can give them your own interpretation.

    ■ Many people have been converted to Christianity
    by reading such "stories."

    ■ The purpose of a Forum is to keep the conversation
    going. Atheists don't seem to spend much time talking
    to one another in the Religion Forum ,like they do in
    the Political Forum --- so you can at least make your
    points against what I post that you don't agree with.
    You probably enjoy doing that, don't you?

    __________


    Regarding slavery:

    It was the Christian North that fought a bloody Civil War,
    in part, to end slavery in the United States -- ie. part of
    their motive for fighting that war was to end slavery
    in America. Lincoln wanted to keep the Union together
    AND end slavery. And he did both.

    It was the Non-Christian African chefs that rounded
    up their own people {mostly enemy tribes} and sold
    them to the slave traders waiting to $$ purchase $$
    them on the coasts of Africa.

    By the way, the New Testament condemns slavery.
    Consider this passage:

    "We know that the law is good if one uses it properly.
    We also know that the law is made not for the righteous
    but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful,
    the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers
    or mothers, for murderers, for the sexually immoral,
    for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and
    liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary
    to the sound doctrine that conforms to the gospel
    concerning the glory of the blessed God, which he
    entrusted to m"___1 Timothy 1: 8-11

    Note that "slave traders" are listed in with the following:
    a} lawbreakers
    b} rebels
    c} the ungodly
    d} sinful
    e} the unholy
    f} the irreligious
    g} those who kill their fathers
    h} those who kill their mothers
    i} for murderers
    j} those practicing homosexuality
    k} for slave traders
    l] liars
    m] perjuries
    n} whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine

    So?

    So the New Testament list "slave traders" in with
    some of the worst sins known to mankind.


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    The oversoul is immortal. Reincarnation as an earthly being addresses the problems cited above. The present individual aka avatar is a relatively ephemeral one-time phenomenon. The oversoul is a composite of the essences of lifetimes. Contemplation of such concepts tends to be suppressed by confinement to the beliefs and scriptural sources of orthodox Western religions. IAW the mind gets trapped.
     
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    Thanks for your comments.
     
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    And there is the deceit, you offer eternal life and the TRUTH is you do not have a clue whether such a thing exists at all, it really is too funny how you think people will be fooled by your offers of goods you do not have or even know if they can be obtained. This is why so many are called snake oil salesmen.

    Faith. Religious faith is an unsupported assertion of an impossible conclusion assumed with unreasonable conviction. Aron Ra
     
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    Here is a heart-warming sinner's prayer:

    "God our Father, I believe that out of Your infinite love You have
    created me. In a thousand ways I have shunned Your love.

    I repent of each and every one of my sins.

    Please forgive me.

    Thank You for sending Your Son to die for me, to save me from
    eternal death.

    I choose this day to place the Lord Jesus at the center of my heart.
    I surrender to Him as Lord over my whole life.

    .I ask You now to flood my soul with the gift of the Holy Spirit so
    that my life may be transformed. Give me the grace and courage
    to live as a disciple in Your Church for the rest of my days. In
    Jesus name I pray Amen."


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    Again ignore the arguments and quote some magic spell!
     
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    "I tell you, her many sins have been forgiven -- for she loved much
    But whoever has been forgiven little loves little. Then Jesus said to
    her, Your sins are forgiven.”
    Luke 7:47-48
     
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    Again ignore the arguments and quote some magic spell!
     
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    "The secret things belong to the LORD our God, but the things
    revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may
    follow all the words of this law." Deuteronomy 29:29


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