There Is A Lot Of Love In Threads On The Internet, Isn't There?

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  1. JAG*

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    The core principle of Christianity is Love. We can see the Love Principle
    made clear in First Corinthians chapter 13.

    Here are the characteristics of the Principle Of Love as presented in
    First Corinthians chapter 13.

    {1} Love is patient.
    {2} Love is kind.
    {3} Love does not envy.
    {4} Love does not boast.
    {5} Love is not proud.
    {6} Love is not rude.
    {7} Love is not self-seeking.
    {8} Love is not easily angered.
    {9} Love keeps no record of wrongs.
    {10} Love does not delight in evil.
    {11} Love rejoices with the truth.
    {12} Love always protects.
    {13} Love always trusts.
    {14} Love always hopes.
    {15} Love always perseveres.
    {16} Love never fails.
    {17} These three remain: faith, hope, and love.
    {18} But the greatest of these is Love.

    Threads on the Internet At Large are characterized by those 18
    demonstrations of Love, aren't they?

    There is not any hateful ugly squabbling, haggling, and bickering that
    goes on between Opponents inside Thread World on the Internet
    At Large, is there?

    Inside Thread World on the Internet At Large there is not a never
    ending Cannibalistic Feast of biting and devouring one another going
    on, is there? Thread World on the Internet At large is not The Land Of
    The Cannibals, is it? Rather Thread World is characterized by love,
    kindness, compassion, empathy, sympathy, and a charitable reading
    of each other's posts, isn't it?

    Inside Thread World on The Internet At Large, there is hardly ever
    any harshness, resentment, hateful criticism, denunciation,
    accusations, loathing, disgruntlement, snide and snippy one-liner
    responses to posts, insults, and generally unpleasant tones and
    attitudes towards everybody that disagrees with each other on most
    any subject, is there?

    My prayer for all Internet posters:

    May the Lord bless and keep you.
    May the Lord make His face shine upon you
    May the Lord be gracious unto you.
    May the Lord turn His face toward you
    May the Lord always bless you and give you peace
    {based on Numbers 6:24-27
     
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    Luke 19:27.
     
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    Luke 19:27 says:
    "But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over
    them-bring them here and kill them in front of me."

    Miscellaneous Explanatory Points:

    {1} The "enemies" in Luke 19:27 was the Jewish Nation who ended
    up murdering the Lord Jesus. Read on . . .

    {2} Luke 19:27 has nothing {zero} to do with the point of the Opening Post.

    {3} Luke 19:27 is from the Parable Of The Ten Minas in Luke 19: 11-27

    {4} The parable is about a king whose subjects "hated him" Luke 19:14

    {5} And told him "We don't want this man to be our king." Luke 19:14

    {6} One servant was described a being a "wicked servant" Luke 19:22

    {7} Those killed were described as being "those enemies of mine" Luke 19:27

    {8} The Parable in Luke 19:11-27 is about a king that had wicked subjects.
    and has zero to do with the title of my Opening Post which is "There Is A Lot
    Of Love Of Love In Threads On The Internet, Isn't There?"

    {9} Again . . "The enemies {Luke 19:27} who rejected the king in the parable
    are representative of the Jewish Nation that rejected Christ while He
    walked on earth."

    {10} And the Jewish Nation finally murdered the innocent Lord Jesus --- so
    in light of {1} --- {11} , your posting of Luke 19:27 -- is explained sufficiently
    so that it is clear that Luke 19:27 has nothing to do with the Opening Post.

    {11} By the way, the Jewish Nation was destroyed in A.D. 70 by the Roman
    General Titus -- multitudes were killed -- so that the verse you posted was,
    in a sense, a prophecy of what was to come. This means that Jesus' enemies
    {the Jewish Nation} who finally murdered Him, ended up being killed {by the
    Romans} --- this explains what Jesus meant in Luke 19:27.
     
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    Your point?
     
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    the verb:
    25. agapaó
    Strong's Concordance
    agapaó: to love
    Original Word: ἀγαπάω
    Part of Speech: Verb
    Transliteration: agapaó
    Phonetic Spelling: (ag-ap-ah'-o)
    Definition: to love
    Usage: I love, wish well to, take pleasure in, long for; denotes the love of reason, esteem.


    the noun:
    26. agapé
    Strong's Concordance
    agapé: love, goodwill
    Original Word: ἀγάπη, ης, ἡ
    Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
    Transliteration: agapé
    Phonetic Spelling: (ag-ah'-pay)
    Definition: love, goodwill
    Usage: love, benevolence, good will, esteem; plur: love-feasts.


    the adjective:
    27. agapétos
    Strong's Concordance
    agapétos: beloved
    Original Word: ἀγαπητός, ή, όν
    Part of Speech: Adjective
    Transliteration: agapétos
    Phonetic Spelling: (ag-ap-ay-tos')
    Definition: beloved
    Usage: loved, beloved, with two special applications: the Beloved, a title of the Messiah (Christ), as beloved beyond all others by the God who sent Him; of Christians, as beloved by God, Christ, and one another.


    a proper noun/indeclinable
    28. Hagar
    Strong's Concordance
    Hagar: Hagar, a concubine of Abraham
    Original Word: Ἅγαρ, ἡ
    Part of Speech: Proper Noun, Indeclinable
    Transliteration: Hagar
    Phonetic Spelling: (ag'-ar)


    1 Kings 11:
    But king Solomon loved many strange women, together with the daughter of Pharaoh, women of the Moabites, Ammonites, Edomites, Zidonians, and Hittites; 2Of the nations concerning which the LORD said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall not go in to them, neither shall they come in unto you: for surely they will turn away your heart after their gods: Solomon clave unto these in love. 3And he had seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines: and his wives turned away his heart. 4For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned away his heart after other gods: and his heart was not perfect with the LORD his God, as was the heart of David his father. 5For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians, and after Milcom the abomination of the Ammonites. 6And Solomon did evil in the sight of the LORD, and went not fully after the LORD, as did David his father. 7Then did Solomon build an high place for Chemosh, the abomination of Moab, in the hill that is before Jerusalem, and for Molech, the abomination of the children of Ammon. 8And likewise did he for all his strange wives, which burnt incense and sacrificed unto their gods.


    loved.. loved.. loved... amor amor amor...

    not as in agape agape agape, right?


    157. aheb
    Strong's Concordance
    aheb: to love
    Original Word: אָהַב
    Part of Speech: Verb
    Transliteration: aheb
    Phonetic Spelling: (aw-hab')
    Definition: to love

    beloved (1), dearly love (1), friend (5), friends (6), love (88 ), loved (53), lover (1), lovers (16), loves (42), loving (2), show your love (1), shows love (1).

    love to neighbour Leviticus 19:18 (וְאָהַבְתָּ לְרֵעֲךָ כָּמוֺ֑ךָ), partic to stranger Leviticus 19:34 (both P), Deuteronomy 10:18,19; love of friend to friend 1 Samuel 16:21; 1 Samuel 18:1,3; 1 Samuel 20:17 (twice in verse); Job 19:19; Proverbs 17:1 compare 2 Samuel 19:7 (twice in verse); 2Chronicles 19:2; see also Proverbs 9:8; Proverbs 16:13; compare Proverbs 15:12; see especially Participle below

    beloved like, friend

    Or raheb {aw-habe'}; a primitive root; to have affection for (sexually or otherwise) -- (be-)love(-d, -ly, -r), like, friend.


    Deuteronomy 4:37 "And because he loved thy fathers, therefore he chose their seed after them, and brought thee out in his sight with his mighty power out of Egypt;"
     
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    But king Solomon loved many strange women, together with the daughter of Pharaoh, women of the Moabites, Ammonites, Edomites, Zidonians, and Hittites;


    King Solomon had compassion and concern to many women not of his own 'people' (?)... even the young aged concubines he housed and raised and looked over as a 'father'.


    a concubine is one who inhabits a room... at a certain time to be used for whatever purposes the person was given the room in exchange for.

    eunuchs were also know as room holders. . but 'males';


    depending on the provider, these 'room dwellers' were expected to provide a certain 'service' for the 'room'.

    King Solomon was a King but he was also instructed in the Way(s) of The LORD and God even while still young and before he became King while still young being blessed; by The LORD and God.. whereby having received wisdom to be the wisest man that there has been; and none wiser ever since. But his 'wisdom' allowed for his daughters and maidens at arms, helps around the 'castle' (?) to lead his heart and sense of trust away from The LORD and God.
     
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    I heard one of the best things today.

    'leave me. you do not have words of knowledge upon your lips'.


    Is that what Christ Messiah might say when He tells some to 'depart from Him ye workers of iniquity'?


    What is a worker and what is iniquity?

    Matthew 7:23 "And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."



    But wait one minute, some might say.. it was 'you' that made us this way.... what the heck?

    Then He might say, depart from Me all you that never I, knew.
    Depart, You, from Me, those working lawlessness.

    458 /anomía ("lawlessness") includes the end-impact of law breaking – i.e. its negative influence on a person's soul (status before God).


    not only to themselves but to those they might have had impact upon.


    And so this is a practical question.

    How does a person recover from a devastation with the One they might have been devastated by?

    In all practicality. how could this occur?

    Because the devastated ones might me those that 'fell away' due to the lawlessness or those that were somehow scarred over excessively.
     
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    Well, Love Will Find A Way … if ya want it to...

    Crank it up, jag... :rolleyes:

     
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    Agape is great, and this is one of my favorite series of verses. If only the rest of the scriptures were compatible with this philosophy. Instead, much of the Bible is far, far worse than any internet thread in practicing what it preaches here.

    I remember this perplexing me as a kid. We are told all of these things about agape, and we are told that God IS agape, but the Bible often describes God in ways that are diametrically opposed to this description of agape.
     
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    And what about love between the same sex? Where does your god stand on that?
     
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    Why are you concerned it may violate your religion? Why do you care?
     
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    Worried those neo atheist zio commie jews might be gay as well are you? No wonder uncle adolf shot himself, fate worse than death!
     
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    Personally, IDC what you are. I am interested in know why you care because it sounds like you are about to engage in a 'religious' discussion to discuss the differences between your religion and theirs? Simple question, you dont have to get all butt hurt over it.
     
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    But I thought that
    Silly me.

    Love is overrated.
     
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    Superficial and incorrect interpretation and application
    of "{9} Love keeps no record of wrongs."

    Interpret and apply 1 Corinthians 13:5 the way you
    interpret and apply it would mean that all Law and Order
    officials morally ought to eliminate all its criminal records.
    We love criminals so we will not keep any records of their
    murders, rapes, armed robberies, and assault and
    battery crimes. It'd be impossible to survive as a society
    without Law and Order officials keeping a record of wrongs
    perpetuated by criminals.

    Also . .

    You totally ignored ALL the points in the quote that you
    quoted that strongly mitigated AGAINST your incorrect
    interpretation and application of 1 Corinthians 13:5 --- and
    proceeded to make what amounts to an illogical point.

    For example you totally IGNORED the following from the post
    you quoted and were "replying" to.

    See the bolded red below:

    _____________________________________________________-____


    {9} Again . . "The enemies {Luke 19:27} who rejected the king in the parable
    are representative of the Jewish Nation that rejected Christ while He
    walked on earth."

    {10} And the Jewish Nation finally murdered the innocent Lord Jesus --- so
    in light of {1} --- {11} , your posting of Luke 19:27 -- is explained sufficiently
    so that it is clear that Luke 19:27 has nothing to do with the Opening Post.

    {11} By the way, the Jewish Nation was destroyed in A.D. 70 by the Roman
    General Titus -- multitudes were killed -- so that the verse you posted was,
    in a sense, a prophecy of what was to come. This means that Jesus' enemies
    {the Jewish Nation} who finally murdered
    Him, ended up being killed {by the
    Romans} --- this explains what Jesus meant in Luke 19:27.
    _____________________________________________________________

    Maybe you can explain why LOVE is morally obligated to give murderers a
    pass and "keep no record of their wrongs"?




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    Romans murdered Jesus. Not Jews. And even if it had been Jews who killed him, the people who killed Jesus are all dead now, so it makes no sense to keep "record of wrongs" unless you are just deliberately being bigoted.
     
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    The Jews were the one who demanded that the Romans
    murder the Lord Jesus. You are misinformed.

    You're not making any sense.

    You have no clue what you're talking about.
    You don't even understand the point of the post you're
    "replying" to.

    You can keep your insults to yourself unless you are just
    deliberately being bigoted.



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    I might be wrong but I was always taught that "Jesus died for our sins". I think our includes more than a few Romans and Jews. I guess if you need to blame anyone it could be me. I surely have committed enough sins that I may have been the one that drove the nail into his flesh or pierced his side with the sword.
     
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    I'm familiar with the propaganda. My statement still stands. Jesus was killed by Romans, not Jews, and it is hysterical to think that the Jews had power over their oppressors.


    It doesn't make sense that the people who killed Jesus are dead? How do you figure? Can you name a single person responsible for Jesus's death who is still alive.


    I understand the anti-Semitic message. That's what I addressed, and why I addressed the irrationality in the claim specifically.


    Correctly identifying anti-Semiticism and historical illiteracy isn't "bigoted". Correctly identifying bigotry and historical illteracy isn't "bigoted."
     
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    I am not anti-Jewish.
    I have no propaganda to proclaim here or anywhere else.
    Zero.

    The Roman soldiers killed the Lord Jesus, but it was the Jews that
    DEMANDED they do it. They all yelled out to Pilate that he was no friend
    of Caesar if he did not agree to have Jesus killed. The Jews cried out
    "We have no king but Caesar" It was the Jews that cried out
    repeatedly "Crucify Him . .crucify Him" -- and not the Romans.
    The Roman soldiers, like most all soldiers, were merely
    carrying out orders from their superiors.

    The power of the Jews used against Pilate was Pilate's FEAR of
    Rome and Caesar if he refused to cave in to the demands of the
    Jews to crucify the Lord Jesus.

    That has got zero to do with Pisa's post and her point about
    love keeping no records of wrongs --and my response to what
    she wrote.

    I have zero anti-Semitic messages.
    I not only - -- am not anti-Jewish.
    I love the Jews.
    I have absolutely nothing against the Jews.

    I understand.
    But I made a pure historical point and there was not, in my heart
    or mind, even a tiny little tidbit of anti-Semitic feelings.

    There is none.
    Not even a tad.
    Zero.

    No Historical illiteracy.

    Again:

    The Roman soldiers killed the Lord Jesus, but it was the Jews that
    DEMANDED they do it.

    They all yelled out to Pilate that he was no friend of Caesar if he
    did not agree to have Jesus killed.

    The Jews cried out "We have no king but Caesar"

    It was the Jews that cried out repeatedly "Crucify Him . .crucify Him" --
    and not the Romans.

    The Roman soldiers, like most all soldiers, were merely
    carrying out orders from their superiors.

    The power of the Jews used against Pilate was Pilate's FEAR of
    Rome and Caesar if he refused to cave in to the demands of the
    Jews to crucify the Lord Jesus.

    The Jews cried out to Pilate, This man claimed to be a king,
    you are no friend to Caesar if you do not have him crucified.
    We have no king but Caesar, cried the Jews to Pilate.


    You are wrong on both points.

    _______

    Yardmeat, I do not know if you are Jewish or not.
    But I have absolutely nothing against the Jews.
    If you are Jewish --- then I will say I regret
    any and all bad feelings you may have had from
    reading my post. I have no ill will toward you.
    It was not my intention to be even 0.0001
    anti-Jewish.

    My view is that the Jews are excellent fighters
    and brave and bold and courageous. I like them.
    I admire them.


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    I have to briefly suspend my disbelief to answer your post. My basic premise for the following is that Jesus indeed came and did what the Gospels say he did.

    Jesus clearly said that his kingdom is not in this world, so why would anyone expect him to behave like a king of this world? It might be impossible for a society to survive without law and order, but Jesus didn't come to give people secular law and order ("give Caesar" - not Jesus' business how humans ruled themselves). His blood was supposed to redeem humanity.

    There's also something about people being saved by grace, not by following rules.

    End of suspension of disbelief.

    I of course don't believe a word in the Gospels, so my argument still stands: why would someone who claims love as guiding core principle justify genocide?

    The Jewish country was destroyed by Romans, not the Jewish nation.
     
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    I don't quite understand your post.

    I'm not blaming anyone, just pointing out the cognitive dissonance in claiming love as a core principle while being comfortable with genocide.
     
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    I was just making a point that as a Christian principal "all sinners put Christ up on the cross". We all had a hand in his death. After all, it was all, pre-ordained. The purpose of Jesus dying on the cross was to atone for all mans sins. That's the Christian version.
     
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    However, Jesus is no excuse for sinning, and we all know that's common.
     
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    Jesus was not murdered he was tried by the state and executed by the state, that is not murder. I am lucky not to live in a country with the death penalty but Jesus did and was dumb enough to break the rules.

    2000 years of Christian persecution reaching it's peak with the Holocaust is testament to the lie the Jews murdered Jesus the apocalyptic Rabbi.
     
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