There is a Paradigm Shift Now in Progress

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  1. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/paradigm shift

    Whether we like it or not we are in the process of undergoing a Paradigm Shift on a global scale.

    Things that we took for granted are no longer going to be what they were before.

    Our sense of values is going to be reorganized.

    Covid-19 is going to force us to appreciate that we are, in fact, a SINGLE human race and that our national borders are meaningless lines that can be transgressed by virtually anything and everything.

    Both the virus and pollution have no respect for national borders.

    Ideas that spread across the internet have no respect for national borders.

    We now depend upon each other for our survival across national borders.

    Our own health is dependent upon the individual with the least amount of healthcare somewhere on the planet.

    What happens in a crowded market on the other side of the world can come into our homes and our lives and have an impact on us out of all proportion to what originally occurred.

    We are not immune to the suffering of others because their suffering can become our own in a matter of days.

    If we are to survive and thrive we must do so in a way that leaves none of us behind any longer.

    We have to appreciate that our actions can have global consequences.

    We the People now means We the People of Planet Earth.

    Shift happens and that is our new reality.

    Your thoughts?
     
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    This Coronavirus pandemic has forced me to think about some things in new ways. Going to the market & seeing empty shelves where toilet paper or hand sanitizer should be, got me thinking how completely dependent we all are on each other for food, supplies &/or services we need in our daily lives. I began thinking how I or my spouse could survive if it worsens into lengthly delays in resupply, or if we were to become involved in a nuclear war. That would cut off all supplies to all of us, & neither I nor more than a few individuals anywhere across this country, are capable of surviving alone.

    Conservatives are adamant in their support of "rugged individualism" & ending what they perceive as the drift toward globalism. But this Coronavirus issue has made it patently clear to me how interdependent & global we've already become as a nation, a people, & as individuals. Go into any store & look at where what you purchase was actually made. Almost everything except for our fresh foods, is made in some other country. And we can afford to buy it because it was made there under conditions of lower worker pay than it could be made here in the U.S. But my point here is that we are all immersed body & soul in the global community. We are all dependent upon it, & those other countries equally dependent upon us. We are functioning as a global community, & we need to respect that, accept it, & see the benefits it offers us all. Seeing an unknown individual in China, or France, or Thailand, or Australia, or any other foreign place, as being like us, is a great mediator for unnecessary friction & conflict. Globalization can reduce the amount of conflict around the world. It can force us to work cooperatively with each other rather than always competing. Cooperative efforts always achieve greater ends than competition--& everyone benefits instead of a select few. Globalization is far more, & greater than, what conservatives attribute to it. Globalization is ultimately the complete integration of every human activity & everyone, into one cooperative global community. Once recognized & accepted, there will be no further need for wars, simply because in a global community, everyone's needs must be addressed in order to keep it all viable.

    Yes, we have a way to go before it's completely functional, but we're far further along than I realized before the Coronavirus pendemic forced me to look at it all closer. Conservatives fears that globalization will somehow make us all alike, or clones of one another is totally wrong. Globalization will free each of us up to be more ourselves, & pursue our own personal dreams & goals. Some of that is already apparent with the impact of the Internet on many young lives. It will only get better.
     
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    I love paradigms! I wrote my Master Thesis in philosophy on paradigms in the late 70s. In that thesis I wrote about paradigm induction and paradigm entropy.
     
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    You are absolutely correct about us all being interdependent upon each other now.

    That realization is going to come home to many as the next days, weeks and months go by and they realize that there are no avocados for their breakfast toast or their favorite coffee blend runs out and is not restocked.

    But it is those with five yachts and three private jets and multiple residences who are going to have the hardest time coming to terms with their new reality IMO. The maid who makes their bed might infect the silk sheets when she changes them or the clerk in the warehouse who sent their latest iPhone might have infected the packaging.

    The best healthcare in the world cannot prevent the spread of these diseases any longer. What matters is that the maid and the clerk have healthcare than enables them to take time off when they are sick and that there are sanitary standards in food markets all around the world.

    We are not islands any longer and there is no American "exceptionalism" that makes us immune to the harsh reality of lives of everyone else.
     
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    My thought is that you are a globalist whom is reading this situation solely through a globalist lens, and are drawing false long term conclusions as a result of that lens. When one is a hammer, EVERYTHING looks like a nail.

    An anti globalist could just as easily conclude that this points to the need to drastically pull back from the economic interdependence that exists between nations.

    The people that are not at either extreme are more than happy to let this unprecedented, unpredictable, and bizarre situation play out rather than throwing around wild guesses as to the ramifications of this calamity. This is not a proper time to be pushing one's preconceived agenda.
     
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    Sadly, at present, I think you & I are a small minority on this forum, & in the general population. But I think our perspective is spreading, & I have hope for the future. :)
     
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    Paradigm shift: The Market god turned out to be a demon.
     
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    Wishful thinking much more likely that covid will make nation's far more concerned about immigration and international travel than they ever were before.
    They were already moving that way because of terrorism. The socialist/communist idea if a big happy human race sitting around singing cum ba ya is less likely because if this not more.
     
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    The paradigm shift that SHOULD be happening is a realization among Americans - through the handling of this virus - that we are NOT the greatest nation in the world. Likely, I'll be painted as unpatriotic, but such is not the case. I am simply a realist. And it doesn't bother me one iota if I am living in a country that is NOT the 'greatest'.

    I am sick to death listening to the press conferences coming out of the WH that insist upon using superlatives when describing the handling of the virus. They are clearly untrue and it shows the 'little man syndrome' when they feel the need to talk in that manner.
     
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    We cannot have anyone cheer leading and being optimistic about their own country. IT MUST BE STOPPED NOW.

    It reminds me of all of those lemmings giving the number one sign when their team has a big victory. They should be taken out back and summarily shot.

    (Sarcasm)
     
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    Once there is a vaccine it will be back to business as usual. If the black death didn't make us "one people", then this little flu+ won't either. They said the same thing about Americans after 9-11. But a short few years later politicians were stabbing eachother in the back again, and the rest of the country wasn't much better. Humans are humans. This will be forgotten and disregarded as soon as the vaccine comes out, and we will divide back into our respective tribes.
     
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    Let me see we've got less if this per capita than anywhere else in the northern hemisphere. Deaths haven't manage triple digits in this country yet. And of course your complaining that we don't have a vaccine for a disease nobody here knew exist three months ago. By the way no one else has one either. Good grief I know perspective is a bit hard to come by with the we're all gonna die media screaming bloody murder every 30 minutes or so. But dammit you should really try to acquire some.
     
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    In some ways, there is no change. Given the opportunity to do something good for the country she's supposed to serve, Pelosi decided to use Corona virus funding to underwrite taxpayer funded abortions. Thankfully, she was caught.

    We look around the grocery store and where we once saw clean single use plastic bags, people are now bringing their filthy bacteria and virus laden bags. Instead of single use bags blowing around, we now see vinyl exam gloves blowing around. Where we once had a pharmaceutical industry that could manufacture unlimited drugs, we now rely on the Communists who we taught capitalism to supply drugs to cure the disease they brought to our shore. Italy learned alot too. We warned them against being totally reliant on China for other reasons. They didn't listen. Italy caught a cold and spread it through their open borders to the rest of the EU. Italy is special. Not only is their population old, but their family units are tight. So grandchildren who carry diseases without symptoms end up inadvertently killing granny or gramps.

    Despite early isolation, we just have to look North of us to find a 'friend' who still accepts flights from Wuhan to bring infected people to Vancouver, people who drive south to infect and kill Americans.

    Nothing like a paradigm shift.
     
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    Paradime shift??? Oh, do you honestly believe that??? No, it won't. :)
     
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    I'll assume, then, that you are on board with the 'we're the best' attitude? Why does that seem to matter so much in this country? To this president? It isn't a competition!
     
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    No one can dispute this, intellectually all would agree but after the powerful emotions of some epically tragic event fade so does the perception of unity. I've posted my feelings here about America the morning after 9/11 where mile after mile of my commute to work was awash with red, white and blue. Thousands of American flags were attached to trees, mail boxes and telephone poles, it was so beautiful to see and I just cried my eyes out. I'll never forget the emotion of those moments, the indescribable transcendent feeling I experienced in knowing that in that small fraction of time absolutely every one of us ceased to belong to a political party and were unanimously Americans. It happened, it was real, it still is but so is the division. Paradigm shift? Maybe but for how long? COVID19 is a message that we will ignore, another blip in a news cycle we'll soon forget.
     
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    So you will be happy to go "back to business as usual" never knowing if the barista that served you your morning latte or the person who cleans your office toilets has come to work with a lethal virus because they don't have healthcare and sick days?
     
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    If we FAIL to LEARN from Covid-19 we will all suffer the consequences when it MUTATES again at some unknown time in the future.

    No one has FORGOTTEN 9/11 and we STILL have in place PRECAUTIONS like the TSA.

    We are going to need to set up Pandemic Precautions at ALL points of entry if we do not want this to happen again.

    Yes, we will have political disagreements again in the future but they will be about how many PAID sick days everyone who works 8 hours a day should be entitled to have in order to have a HEALTHY FUTURE.
     
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    I don’t care, no. If it is my time to die, then it is time. I won’t live in fear over this. If my love ones get infected, then it was their time. Obviously I’ll be conscientious about washing hands, avoiding coughing people, etc, but I’m not going to drastically change my life over this.
     
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    You should drop your globalist pipe dream and join the rest of us in the real world.
     
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    I highly doubt anyone will 'forget' dealing with a pandemic for any generation currently in play.

    The TSA has proven themselves ineffective at best. Their inability to stop someone determined to get something on board a plane is glaringly obvious, especially when they do a bit of job validation based on the number of ounces one carries on board in a shampoo bottle.

    Unfortunately, trying to politicize it with agendas, has absolutely nothing to do with what is occurring in the real world of people. As viruses are wont to do, it doesn't matter how many sick days one has, or if medical is paid for or not, you expose yourself, you may contract it.

    A 'HEALTHY FUTURE' is based on a person's care of themselves, not what others can provide for them. No health insurance will address the consumption of processed foods or sugary beverages, high fats and low exercise. People make choices. People make decisions. They are responsible for themselves.
     
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    In other words Blame the Victim is the excuse for doing NOTHING!

    Got it!
     
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    Did you adopt this same fatalist approach when it came to terrorism?
     
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    You obviously didn't read what was posted.

    Got it.
     

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