There Is No Epidemic of Racist Police Shootings

As each supposed reason for the protest is debunked the left moves the goal post and states another version of the story

 

Lets play a game since population statistics seem to be such an issue for some suddenly.
If you have 1000 apples for sale with of 200 of them being red and 800 green, if someone buys 200 red apples and 400 green apples you would be correct in saying the person took double the number of green apples but incorrect in saying that green apples were bought at a higher rate as 100% of the red apples were bought while only 50% of the green apples were.

Whites have a population percentage that is 5 times greater than blacks yet their death rate is only 2 times that of blacks.

Is it an educational issue or just some combination of cognitive dissonance and intellectual dishonesty?

 

The NR article cites peer-reviewed science journal.

 

Cops RESPOND to crime. If blacks commit more crime they have more interaction. Coos don’t see a black guy in a suit in the supermarket and toss him to the ground because he’s Black and might steal something. He’s not committing a crime. But robbery and violence in the inner cities is high so most of the interaction is happening there. More interaction with violent people equals more violent interaction. It’s MATH.

Cops don’t have to aggressively police most suburban areas because there isn’t the same level of crime there. It’s not just race. Black people live in the suburbs too. That’s WHY they live there just like everyone else. LESS CRIME AND LESS VIOLENCE. And sadly, less percentages of Black people. It’s just math.

There is NO study and evidence that can prove there is systemic racism. There is plenty of data but you can’t say because more Black people are arrested cops are racist. That’s insane!!! But that’s what BLM implies. More Black people commit crime per capita because more Black people commit crime. It’s not BECAUSE THEYRE BLACK. Wealthy and middle class Black people don’t commit any more crime then any other race. It’s CULTURE and poverty that increases cop interaction. NOT racism.

 

I think folks need to finally pay attention to the stupid that these protestors are trying to force on the rest of us. Defund the police is an extraordinary revelation from these folks. And those who are supporting it are the same, "my entitlement trumps yours" rejects that continue to lobby for keeping the law out of their good time, ie smoking weed. Look at the protestors, white, affluent college kids getting unemployment so they don't have to work until the funding runs out, sucking down a good time at the protests instead of having to find gainful employment (well, the lockdowns are about to get lifted and the extra $600 a week with it).

Then what? No policing means these children are able to live stress free, because there won't be cops to annoy them when they light up a blunt in public...

This isn't about racial equality, it never has been. It's about very powerful folks who believe that the people need to be fearful of the power that they wield whenever they feel like inciting violence in this nation. Oh, and don't look because while the nation is cowering in fear, the real power grab starts. That is the way these cretins think. They believe in their right to wrest power from the people to enrich themselves, and artificially cheat their way to real power.

 

So you are trying to assume all people are criminals when you are doing "per capita". You gotta do it by per police interaction. But, I know this will hit a brick wall, so have a good one.

 

It's not just shootings.

 

That comparison is missing the most crucial piece of data, it doesn’t take into account crime rate. Which is the biggest indicator of how much police interaction / Arrest attempts there are.

As black and white crime are actually similar in overall occurrences that would actually indicate that whites are killed more often than blacks, not the other way around.

 

Crime rate does not equal arrest rates, you are using a subjective variable that many disagree with.
The last study I read on the subject highlighted that that blacks are more likely to be charged and receive longer sentences for similar crimes

 

I haven't seen anyone claim that implicit racism only applies to white people. The question is whether black civilians were more likely to be shot, not the race of their shooter.

 

Cops respond to crime? Like pepper balling news casters and homeless people because they just happen to be in an area they don’t like? How about them no knock entering the wrong house and killing someone that was completely innocent? Putting their knee into someones neck until they die? Are those responses warranted?

There have been numerous studies showing systemic racism — but we need to bring all police actions back in line not just the aggressiveness they show certain demographics.

 

Feel free not to respond if all you can do is throw out insults. I have not insulted you, if you are not wanting to discuss the issue then feel free to not discuss it.

Cheers

 

NO. There are studies that show data of high crime rates and convictions and some people INTERPRET it as racism. Sorry. Just because you think something is racist doesn’t mean it is racist. To prove racism you have to prove cops arrest certain races ONLY because of race. When black cops arrest Black people is it still racism? Don’t think so.

No knock policy has no bearing on race by the way. And the number of people who have died by a cop kneeling on someone’s neck are too few to count. But then no one wants to count when it comes to officers killing people because then they realize that almost 2X as many unarmed white people are killed each year which makes it hard to call it racism. Unless of course it’s a black officer that killed the white suspect. But then you’d have to admit Black people can be racist too?

People use the term without having any clue what it means. They toss it around to shut down debate. It’s lazy uneducated thinking. OR it’s just pandering for votes when politicians are involved.

And if cops have to show more aggressiveness against certain demographics maybe it’s because they are MORE violent, resist arrest MORE OFTEN and are involved in far more violent crime per capita. That’s NOT racism. That’s data. But then you’d have to admit the data isn’t racist as well which brings me back to the uneducated and ignorant comment.

And NO ONE has defended the cop kneeling on anyone’s neck until they pass out. No one is Defending the cop or his actions. That BS lie needs to stop.

 

The crime rate may not be perfect but is it the closest thing we have to determine how much interaction there is with police. As for the crime rate not relating to arrests, then how would they know that the crime happened and what demographic of person committed the crime, etc? I cannot confirm this but the crime stats would logically be generated after the arrests were made. Or after convictions, I don’t know which. Can you suggest a better indicator of arrests and/or police interactions? And would this number not be more reflective to compare police killings to? Comparing police killings to population percentage is the end result, or a symptom, but not the root of the issue.

 

False.

The Myth of Systemic Police Racism
Hold officers accountable who use excessive force. But there’s no evidence of widespread racial bias.

.......This charge of systemic police bias was wrong during the Obama years and remains so today. However sickening the video of Floyd’s arrest, it isn’t representative of the 375 million annual contacts that police officers have with civilians. A solid body of evidence finds no structural bias in the criminal-justice system with regard to arrests, prosecution or sentencing. Crime and suspect behavior, not race, determine most police actions.



In 2019 police officers fatally shot 1,004 people, most of whom were armed or otherwise dangerous. African-Americans were about a quarter of those killed by cops last year (235), a ratio that has remained stable since 2015. That share of black victims is less than what the black crime rate would predict, since police shootings are a function of how often officers encounter armed and violent suspects. In 2018, the latest year for which such data have been published, African-Americans made up 53% of known homicide offenders in the U.S. and commit about 60% of robberies, though they are 13% of the population.

The police fatally shot nine unarmed blacks and 19 unarmed whites in 2019, according to a Washington Post database, down from 38 and 32, respectively, in 2015. The Post defines “unarmed” broadly to include such cases as a suspect in Newark, N.J., who had a loaded handgun in his car during a police chase. In 2018 there were 7,407 black homicide victims. Assuming a comparable number of victims last year, those nine unarmed black victims of police shootings represent 0.1% of all African-Americans killed in 2019. By contrast, a police officer is 18½ times more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male is to be killed by a police officer.......
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-myth-of-systemic-police-racism-11591119883?mod=opinion_lead_pos5

The writer goes on to note the number of blacks killed on a single weekend in Chicago by other blacks. Where is the outrage over that.

And to back up this data she refers to the study done by the National Academy of Science which found
“no significant evidence of antiblack disparity in the likelihood of being fatally shot by police,”

That it has to do with how frequently police encounter violent suspects within racial groups.

She notes how a 2015 Justice Department study of the Philadelphia police force found white officers were less likely to shot an unarmed black suspect than black or hispanic officers.

Then Harvard Economist Roland G. Freye's research again finding no evidence of racial discrimination in shootings and that any evidence to the contrary did not take into account crime rates and civilian behavior before and during interactions with police.

 

Well then what exactly are they "up in arms", burning and looting private businesses, defacing private and public property, interfering with the lawful activities of law abiding citizens and yes attack white citizens because of their race, about and how is all this violence supposed to cure it?

 

And like Rahm Emanuel said, never let a good crisis go to waste. If the followers are dumb and gullible enough, their leaders can take them anywhere and make them do anything.

 

When talking about statistics, I care about what matters so that the statistics are actually valid. You care about an agenda.

They target those who commit crimes. Groups don't necessarily commit crimes at the same rate, thus different numbers of interactions.

This really isn't that complicated.

It's the agenda. It's the goal of the left. It is behind everything.

 

Is it an educational issue or dishonesty for people to believe it’s systemic racism that’s getting blacks killed at such an astounding rate when the statistics demonstrate it’s actually them killing each other. What about the nonsensical belief that thier statistical anomaly of a crime rate is also racism when the single most statistically relevant data is that a boy with no father is more likely to go to prison for violent crime...and blacks have over 70 percent rate of just that. Less grow up with a father now than decades ago, when the nation was actually racist. How could that have gone down while racism went down if that were attributable to racism?

How are some ignorant enough to believe in white privilege when it’s black people who get bonus points in hiring processes and tests to get into the best colleges. Or having society scream in outrage when one of them is killed but ignore when a white person is killed.

Is it the lack of education or dishonesty that leads people to believe whites are hunting blacks when it happens more often in the reverse?

it’s astounding the level of dishonesty by our democrat politicians that led to this violence.

 

Here is a fact

liberals never ever ever ever let facts get in their way, not ever.

 

That's a great game. Expanding that game, how many cops are killed as a percentage of cops?
The chances of a police officer getting killed is 0.0125%
The chances of an unarmed black person getting killed by a cop is 0.00012%

So the blue apples are 105 times more likely to be killed than the black apples. Maybe that's why they are twitchy.

 

Facts are inconvenient things, we don't wanna be 'inconvenienced', we wanna be triggered! /sarcasm

 

Lefties think the officer is racist if he doesn't hand over his weapon if they want it. Evil cops!

 

I know you were being sarcastic, but there is an element of truth to your comment, at least for some.

 

The Slave Patrol has been murdering blacks with impunity since 1620.