Theresa May calls for UK general election on 8th June

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    No surprise. Brexit was marking the end of globalist stance across the EU but then the queen saw how cousins across the pond have made Trump to comply with the deep state and she forced called the small blind.

    The uncertainty cloud over the EU is now being dispersed through this attempt which is obviously aimed to get the union back on its globalist track!
     
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    Bad decision. The Lib Dems will go in with a " revoke article 50" pledge, and grab 50% of the electorate.

    Conservatives and labour will be bickering over the leave voters in a fight over hard and soft Brexit, and on items of unrelated policies.

    Believe it or not, this could end with a Lib Dem government. They just need to stick to one policy and only one policy issue and forget everything else.
     
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    I think a UKIP one is more likely than that.
     
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    You don't seriously think that?

    Cons are on around 40%, Lab around 20%, Libs and UKIP around 10%.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/0/uk-general-election-2017-poll-tracker-odds/

    Liberal Democrats will gain ground - they can't fail to. But if they get a quarter of the 50% you suggest it'll be a miracle in itself.
     
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    If you fight the election on the EU only, the results will broadly mirror the referendum results.
    Party allegiance < national allegiance.​
     
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    Yes it would be miraculous, but I do honestly think they could swing it.

    They need to keep absolutely tight on the single message. That is not a strength of lib Dem candidates, though.

    Fortunately, none has a clue what else the party stands for so there is no complicating party image beyond abstract doubts over competency.

    Labour is far left under Corbyn, Tory is the Brexit party. There is fertile middle ground to be harvested.
     
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    Tru dat
     
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    Not really. The SNP got all but three of the Scottish seats with only 50% of the people who voted voting for them. A referendum is quite different to a General election. UKIP's 4,000,000 votes and only one seat last time ought to say that.

    Also there are other things. Corbyn has come out fighting. He is quite right it may not go the way May thinks. Sure she saw she had 43% popularity or something and knew that a week after this election is going to be, the decision would be made about the Tory's who acted illegally at the last general election. May well be that 20 or 30 of them would need to stand down. She obviously thought get in quick. There is not a hope in hell we would win an election after the second week in June.

    and of course, with Scotland it will not be Brexit we will be thinking about.
     
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    The Scottish Daily Mail of 19th April shows what it thinks of democracy

    https://www.pressreader.com/uk/scottish-daily-mail/20170419/textview

    Easy to see the mentality the Mail believes its readers have. The opposition in the British Parliament are now 'enemies' involved in 'dirty tricks'. The Mail clearly is no lover of democracy.
     
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    Scotland and NI are out of contention. I think that's a given. SNP cannot form a coalition with any major UK party, because they all reject Scottish independence.

    To win UK, the majority must be gained from within the English and Welsh seats.

    Re "ilIegal actions" you mean the battle bus expenditure? What makes you certain of the mid-June timing?
     
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    Theresa May calls for UK general election on 8th June
    She wants the election soon - before the results of the stupid decision to leave the EU take effect and ruin the Brit economy.
     
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    post repeat deleted
     
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    It's the best thing we ever did. We don't want our country run by incompetent foreign bureaucrats, we want it run by incompetent indigenous bureaucrats. :blankstare:
     
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    makes no difference to the reality that a Referendum which counts the votes over the entire country is going to give a completely difference result to one which votes for many different seats. Again the reality that UKIP got 4,000,000 seats in the last election and only one seat is an example of that.
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    I have checked and you are right that I can see no date. However it certainly is most likely one of the reasons for calling the election. If the Tories lost even half of those people May will have no majority.
     
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    Without question one of the reasons. The others being that the Crown Prosecution Services are soon going to come out with a ruling which could result in the loss of her small majority and she is also complaining that the opposition is opposing her. She found she had 43% approval due to Labour in fighting and thought best to try and get it now before the **** hits the fan.
     
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    The nice thing about the Parliamentary system is that elections can be called whenever the system fails to work as designed. With two Presidents elected into office by a minority of voters in the past 16 years, America needs to modify the Constitution to allow us to call intermediary elections to fix our government when it becomes dysfunctional. That ability is a measure of freedom and democracy within the system.
     
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    That isn't really true. Only the last PM, David Cameron changed this so that there could only be an election every 5 years but left it open that if two thirds of Parliament agreed then it could be done. For some reason the rest of Parliament would appear to believe they can beat the Tories. If my memory is correct the SNP abstained. May is high in the Polls and knows this will not last and she knows she is going to face opposition so she hopes the English and Welsh public will be stupid enough to vote her in with her slogan on stability. She will be promising everything the Brexiteers who do not bother to educate themselves want - like for instance massively reducing immigration when it has been more than proved that that can only happen if we want to go back to the stone age. They were discussing this on newsnight last night but one of them was pointing out she had put it so vaguely she could say she had not lied in several years when still it had not been reduced.
     
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    Yes I take your point, but if you are more like the 30- 40% mark that disadvantage turns into an advantage. So for the Lib Dems, capturing most of the Remain vote would catapult them in representation.
    one of the factors, certainly, now UKIP is dead they don't need the battle bus again so this is effectively a re-run to validate the win...
     
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    I don't understand what you mean here. It will still depend on the seats - that is if no one has changed their mind since the Referendum which is unlikely I would think. Someone would need to do the work of working out where the boundaries and are who fits in!!
    I know people are trying to get people to get together in tactical voting. It looks like England and Wales are going to begin to see their long long time of far right Tory rule - and given that this will, if all goes as May hopes also result in them having pretty much total power over the way laws in the EU are converted to UK law, does not look like a country I would want anything to do with. I would be well concerned if I wasn't relying on another way out. ;)

    Makes no difference, the Tories have moved to the far right and it is the far right of the Tory Party who are in charge of Brexit. I was reading yesterday someone say they have moved further to the right than UKIP's wildest dreams of just a few years ago.

    Lets hope the sane majority of the people of England and Wales can come together and pull something which will save the UK from pretty much destruction....then of course States usually have their deep state at work. Indeed that was why Radical Independence moved towards Independence - they believed it would be impossible to get radical change while within the confines of the deep Imperialism of Westminster. I can see that without question that is so of the Tory Party and they will handle this so well as people's standard of living and rights are destroyed.

    (It is reckoned they have dealt with Trump in the US which does not take away from the reality that he is moving them towards fascism - removing their rights and so on at the same time)
     
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    I think we're talking in the same direction. If one has 10% of the popular vote, one can go through the entire election without winning any seat (eg UKIP). Conversely, therefore, if one has 30% of the vote, one might end up with 50% of the seats (eg Conservatives).
    My point is that the Lib Dems can increase their share by 20-30%, which could catapult them to 50%+ of the seats, depending of course on boundaries and other performances. They do not need to go from 10% to 50%. The Remain vote was 48% of the vote. If they are the only party offering to revoke article 50, they could win the entire farm
     
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    It has gone too far to revoke article 50 just outright I would say. You probably would have civil strife and do not forget that there is a contingency within the leave who have the sort of thinking which led to Cox's murder - and the massive praise it got from same on social media after. You could see some pretty nasty consequences. The UK has already accepted the vote of the Referendum. Parliament approved article 50. If the Lib Dems got into Parliament after that on considerably less of the vote than voted to leave, and tore up Articel 50, people would go mad!!!!!! - do you not think?

    Labour I think is playing with the idea of offering another referendum on the terms. It is the terms which are really going to pull the UK under and even worse when the big thing May is selling is that she is going first to stop immigration when everyone knows that immigration will need to stay roughly the same or there will be massive economic consequences.
     
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    There is NO turning back from Brexit, the die has been cast. This will go down as one of the dumbest things to happen in British political history and the unintended consequences will pile up over the years. Having said this Ms. May has astutely measured the political landscape and found the timing to be about right. I believe her Conservatives will win a strong majority (a strong mandate) and carry on from there......
     
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    I don't think we are ready for a parliamentary system, but certainly abolition of the electoral college as the so-called president once called for, would help.
    Donald J. Trump‏ @realDonaldTrump
    The electoral college is a disaster for a democracy.
     
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    You bet they will. Many in the EU would be annoyed as well, so it will take guts from the Lib Dem leadership.

    But if victorious the Lib Dems would be able to claim this was the public's call "after knowing more about the facts". It would be a popular mandate, and have greater legal clout than the advisory referendum. It would also be divisive and the Leavers will be campaigning for another 50 years, but it will get the Lib Dems in power and it would kick out Brexit.

    If unsuccessful, at the very least it would claw back seats for the Lib Dems far beyond what their policies deserve and provide for significant frustration of the Brexit mechanics.

    I am pro-Brexit, just calling this as I see it. I cannot see signs that the LBs are moving in this direction, though.

    There's a difference between immigration and work visas. I think the economic consequences have not only been overstated but will be opposite, as we could more easily access even cheaper labour from the developing world, under work permits so they go back before they cost us health care costs.
     
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