Things That the Pro-Lockdown Extremists Think Are Selfish

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  1. crank

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    There is no returning to that life - it's gone. Tomorrow will look and feel different so make peace with it now, and plan for a new way of being.

    PS: the virus has made that our tomorrow reality, not the thousand different responses to it yesterday.
     
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    That was truly dumb.
     
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    In the case of THIS virus, arriving at THIS point in time, yes. Absolutely.
     
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    It's GONE.

    How are you unable to grasp this? It was THAT 'normal' which spread the damned virus around the planet in weeks. It's done. It's not coming back.
     
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    Yeah, the whole world went into lockdown by mistake.

    When you guys do denial, you do it in spectacular fashion.
     
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    Exactly. The falsity is astonishing.

    In my own defence, I've remained consistent in that regard. I still think those who didn't plan for a rainy day are fools.
     
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    The elderly aren't even the biggest issue. Of greater concern is that even healthy younger people are finding themselves quite sick for many weeks. Add to that the fact that when someone in the house has COVID, no one from that household can leave the home until the patient is testing negative. That means no one works, or goes out to shop, or goes to school, etc. The entire family is horribly impacted. Then there's the problem of this permanent organ damage being seen, and dangerous responses in some children.

    When enough 'healthy young' people are sick at the same time - taking everyone in their household out of circulation with them, your economy is beyond toast. That's the factor that the deniers just don't grasp, and will very likely happen if the nation opens up too quickly.
     
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    Either way, it's true.
     
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    Duh. Conservatives just figuring that out, are they? Every person making less than $12 an hour is making more with the current
    unemployment benefits than they were working a 60 hour week.
     
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    See? I told you. They never want life to go back to normal. If you like living this way, then vote for Democrats, because this is what they want forever.
     
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    Thanks for being honest and admitting that you want to live a dystopia forever, and that you expect others to follow you down that insane path.
     
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    Of course we would prefer life went back to normal. No one wanted a damned pandemic.

    The difference is that we're not indulging the fantasy that life will return to the old normal. We've moved on, and are working on building security in the new normal. It's not as though it's optional!
     
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    It didn't happen in Sweden.

    You guys probably hate the fact that Sweden exists. The perfect real world example proving everything you say is wrong.

    Good job Sweden!
     
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    Again, I thank you for your honesty. People need to understand what the lockdown religion is all about. You not only have no plan to return to normal life, you reject even the idea of returning to normal. You've settled into the dystopia and are working to make it permanent. It's important that people understand that.
     
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    On the contrary .. it's America and Europe who are experiencing 'dystopia'. Not acting quickly and decisively ensured it.

    You don't like the way things are in America? Thank your Govt, and every person who wouldn't help you reach 80% compliance with isolation protocols.
     
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    I hate to say it of a country which is suffering from their own mistakes, but Sweden is a ****ing disaster. They're far worse off in terms of infections and deaths than their neighbours, and have exactly the same economic woes as their neighbours. To the dollar.
     
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    Well there is that... LOL!
     
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    The reason I think your opinion is worthless is you make it sound like there will be no consequences to reopening the economy, as if it were an absolute no-brainer that we should reopen. If you at least acknowledged the consequences of reopening but argued that the balance of evils favors reopening, I might be more sympathetic to your argument.
     
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    Listen, friend. Where I live we're about to leave all that behind, while America and Europe remain 'dystopian'. We are now down to a consistent average of ten new infections daily, in the entire nation. Do you understand how that happened? when it started with hundreds daily? and on exactly the same trajectory as Europe and America?

    The only way you can hope to return to anything resembling a working economy, is by suppressing this virus almost out of existence. We've done that. America and Europe chose NOT to do that. The uncertainty and contagion that you now have to live - probably for years longer than we will - is the result of that choice.
     
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    Trump's CDC issued the disastrous guidelines, it's true. And Trump allowed himself to be manipulated by that POS Fauci. But Trump has realized his error and is attempting to correct it. Democrats, on the other hand, are trying to make this huge mistake a permanent reality. They've tasted absolute power and they never want to go back.
     
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    I've been arguing in favor of the Swedish model for months. It's the perfect compromise between a draconian lockdown and doing nothing. But the pro-lockdown fanatics refuse to consider any other strategies. To them, anything short of a totalitarian lockdown is grandma murder. And many of them are arguing that this is the "new normal". That kind of talk is straight out of 1984.
     
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    Re: "pandemic":

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    It happened because the virus follows the same trajectory everywhere regardless of what policies the government pursues.

    You'll be surprised to learn that harebrained schemes to prevent the spread of a virus among a highly social animal species were never capable of succeeding.
     
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    I'm not bashing him for the guidelines. As a matter of fact, I'm trying to get his supporters to understand that they are the Trump administration's guidelines. To see if we can get them to follow them. Or, at least support them. Despite the fact that Trump is undermining his own guidelines.

    See my point? Trump loyalists display a very limited memory. They don't remember that it was Trump who very begrudgingly accepted (never promoted) the shut down. Or how he insisted that we should re-open by Easter. They forget too quickly. And they will soon forget that he has undermined the CDC guidelines so he can take credit for them. He's as quick to take credit for things he opposed, as he is about blaming others for things that he did do.

    What a sad little president* we have.

    Not thanks to Trump, who sent his idiot son-in-law out to say that the hospital supplies where "ours. And not of the states"... whatever that meant. Oh... but see him take credit for governors being able to coordinate among them (with no help from the President) to lend each other supplies, or buy themselves at outrageous prices from suppliers....

    One more time, my point is made.

    Oh God! What nonsense! We do not have nearly enough tests! Tests do save lives!!!!

    My God! Didn't the wingnut echo-chamber educate anybody on this pandemic? Even on the most basic facts?
     
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