This Didn't Age Well! Rachel Maddow's Recent Hospital Ship Prediction Sinks To Fake News Depths

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ke-news-depths.570427/page-21#post-1071707745

 

Fauci said himself, that it's obviously that lives could have been saved and nobody was going to deny this. And here you are asking me what Donald being dead wrong has to do with sending a massive medical ship.

It's not about if the headline is accurate. I'm mocking you right wingers over the fact you find a reporter being off by 4 days so newsworthy when Donald is off with 10.000's of lives.

 

That was about a lockdown and not just social distancing.
And so here you are contesting again what Fauci said.

 

He's not contradicting himself. He even adds.... that it's obviously so and nobody would deny it.
And here you are again contesting Fauci.

Fauci said that acting sooner would obviously saved lives, and that nobody is going to deny that.
Bright wanted the president to act earlier... and got fired over it.

source it.

You're just trolling around that I "think" it is "everything"... in order to claim the WH is far from being transparent on the Corona outbreak, while accusing China that they aint transparent when they are.

 

That "would / could" part is only in the QUESTION that Fauci is asking himself. He still answers it with OBVIOUSLY and NOBODY is going to deny that. And so here you are contesting Fauci again.

 

Already responded to this.
You're still are contesting Fauci. And you can't disprove the memo's accuracy.

 

Nope you did not. I can understand how you may have gotten confused by your conversation with @struth. It kind of ruined our flow.

 

You really don't know anything?
There was a WH press conference where they said they originally estimated was 2.2 million deaths.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/27/trump-death-toll-projection-coronavirus-213314
That goes hand in hand that memo was saying. You got zero information on this. What a total joke.

Because I got my doubts that the draft dodging lying snail of a Donald got it right that it magically would disappear.

You brought him up. You need to prove your point here with Biden, not me.

The corona task force. You really could not have guessed?
It's all appointed by Donald and Pence.

 

Are you aware that your above source refers to "70,000", not 2.2 million?

You have your DOUBTS that he got it wrong that it would magically disappear? What the hell? Aren't you 100% CONFIDENT that he was wrong about that? I know I am!

My point is that he held a rally in March after Trump! I don't need to prove that because it's simply a FACT! You however claimed that Biden didn't know anything about how deadly the virus is and this is why he held the rally. You need to prove your point here with Biden, not me, except that you won't be able to!

Okay... what's your point? That they picked the wrong people for the task force?

 

So if Trump got it RIGHT and correctly predicted the number of people who would die, the ship would not have been sent?

Well you now agree that it IS accurate, whereas before you said that it was NOT accurate! I seem to be pretty good at changing your mind!

Why is Trump being wrong so newsworthy? Anyway, Trump being off by 10,000's of lives is a separate subject and doesn't mean that other things shouldn't be reported on - you're just trying to use it to cover up Maddow's uselessness! And again, I'm sure that you have called out conservatives for equally insignificant things, not that you'd ever admit that!

 

You don't even know what Bright wanted Trump to do! You just say "act!"

Unproven conspiracy theory!

"Rick Bright, the director of the Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority, was transferred to a new, more narrow role at the National Institutes of Health this week, an HHS spokesperson confirmed. The move was more than a year in the making." https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/22/hhs-ousts-vaccine-expert-as-covid-19-threat-grows-201642

Well then if you don't think that EVERYTHING which comes into the White House no matter the source should be released to the public, then what DO you think should be released? Clearly you think at least the memo, but what is it about the memo that made it so reliable? You don't even know the source!

Yes, he is saying "OBVIOUSLY" it "COULD" have made a difference! He is clearly NOT saying "OBVIOUSLY" it WOULD have made a difference!

When did Fauci refer to JUST social distancing? Hint: he DIDN'T!

 

it says: "But if you look at what original projections were, 2.2 million, we are probably heading to 60,000 to 70,000."

You're still are holding him accountable for information that Donald did not share with him.

You brought up Biden holding rallies as if he knew how deadly it is,... while that information was not shared by Donald.
You're not making your point. I'll be axing this troll nonsense if you can't prove your things about him.

Point remains that Donald did not share that the disease is rather deadly, and did the exact opposite by downplaying it all over the place. He caused people to die with his influence that it's just a new hoax, to than blame China for not being transparent when he could no longer downplay the virus.

 

Fauci, Bright and even the Colubia university all said that lives would be saved if the government = Donald acted sooner. That ship was needed because people were dying on a massive scale. And here you are not being able to make a link the inaction of Donald the snail and that ship being needed.

You question the accuracy, but can't debunk it.

Because the value of human live is far higher than the value of being off by a couple of weeks where nobody got hurt.

 

I know what Bright wanted. You're not even aware.

He got fired. And you got nothing to dispute why he got fired.

Your source says he was abruptly removed from his position according to 5 people.
It all comes down to that quack snail of a Donald with his hydroxychloroquine.

Because this is EXACTLY the information that Donald is accusing the Chinese government not to be transparent about.
Rather obvious

He says on the question of do you think lives if social distancing / physical distancing started in the 3rd week of februari (when Fauci wanted it) instead of mid March? Fauci answers: Obviously you can logically say if you have a proces that is ongoing and you started mitigation earlier you could have saved lives. OBVIOUSLY, no one is going to deny that!

And here you are contesting Fauci again on what he says it's OBVIOUSLY so.

3rd week of februari

 

Yes, you said that "Bright wanted the president to act earlier", but you don't know in detail what he actually wanted. If you knew, you would have said it by now!

Of course he did. I didn't say that he didn't get fired.

I can only go off the official reasoning that his employer gave. Believing anything else is simply believing a conspiracy theory, which is what you're believing in.

How does "abruptly removed" mean that he wasn't fired due to the fact that the move was "more than a year in the making?"

The information in the memo? As in millions of deaths? No, Trump has NOT accused the Chinese government of not being transparent about millions of deaths. You're talking absolute nonsense.

So you're acknowledging that social distancing / physical distancing started in "mid March?"

Yes OF COURSE it's obvious that it COULD have saved lives! I'm not denying that!

 

Well what does this have to do with Trump's incorrect prediction on the number of deaths?

What the hell are you talking about? Why are you saying that I'm questioning the accuracy of the headline which I said was ACCURATE?

Again, Trump being off by 10,000's of lives is a separate subject and doesn't mean that other things shouldn't be reported on - you're just trying to use it to cover up Maddow's uselessness!

 

So because Trump referred to 2.2 million, this means that it's an accurate prediction? Of course Trump is going to use that 2.2 million prediction, because he thinks that it makes him look good because the country has avoided anywhere even close to 2.2 million deaths. Anyway, you can forget about Trump - not only because he doesn't have a clue what he's talking about, but because you referred to Fauci, not Trump. You said "The White house has a memo saying millions could die. Fauci holds a press conference saying millions could die weeks later." Your problem is, that you haven't sourced that Fauci said that millions could die. Your claim that the memo was accurate and reliably sourced has yet to be substantiated. By all means, keep trying though!

Information which isn't proven to be accurate and reliably sourced!

So you're under the impression that Biden didn't know how deadly it is? Earlier in post #509, I said the following, but you conveniently cut it out from your next reply:

We KNOW that he thought that it was quite serious all the way back in January, from his article below:

I'm making my point PERFECTLY WELL!

Of course you will be axing it! You'll be left with no other choice after you discover that you simply aren't able to defend your argument that Biden didn't know how deadly it was simply because he didn't get the information in the memo which is not proven to be accurate and reliably sourced!

What the hell does this have to do with his Coronavirus Taskforce appointments that you made a big deal of?

Aren't you 100% CONFIDENT that he was wrong about that? I know I am!

 

Not relevant what he exactly ment by that in detail. Donald didn't do anything. Fauci complained as well he was ignored for weeks. Fauci and that university both agree that the inaction caused human lives. They all say the same thing.

You previously wrongfully called it "Unproven conspiracy theory!".

There is none.

You can't mix the idea of "abruptly removed" with a move "more than a year in the making".
Your claim that he was removed, because it was in the making... is false.

I consider the question of "what DO you think should be released?" as answered. Donald kept the lid on the memo that the virus was very deadly. He was not transparent one bit, hence he has no right to complain others supposedly are not transparent.

This is about "Yes, he is saying "OBVIOUSLY" it "COULD" have made a difference! He is clearly NOT saying "OBVIOUSLY" it WOULD have made a difference! ". And I proved it's... That "would / could" part is only in the QUESTION that Fauci is asking himself. He still answers it with "OBVIOUSLY and NOBODY is going to deny that". And so here you are contesting Fauci again.

There is no could or would in his answer.

 

I said it before. It's far more newsworthy. You right wingers are going off on a little infraction while Donald makes an utterly massive mess.

FAR and FAR more relevant.

 

Point stands. The memo from January predicted millions could die, and Fauci with Donald presented that at a press conference mid March presented it. That's being slow as a snail. The accuracy of the memo is not been debunked.

No need. You are again questioning Fauci being of an expert with nothing to back it up.
It's just rubbish.

The article says 80 killed. Donald's WH kept a lid on it that it could kill millions.
That's not even remotely close. You failed to prove your point.

No... I originally wrote "Point remains that Donald did not share that the disease is rather deadly, and did the exact opposite by downplaying it all over the place. He caused people to die with his influence that it's just a new hoax, to than blame China for not being transparent when he could no longer downplay the virus." that's my great deal.

 

Well Fauci didn't say it himself, and even if he DID, what evidence do you have that Fauci wanted to release the information EARLIER than March?

Well I've not attempted to debunk it. My point is that there's no evidence that it reliably sourced and accurate! Although I'm open to the idea that it IS. You however are NOT open to the idea that it's NOT reliably sourced and accurate!

There's no need to back up your claim that Fauci said that millions could die? Surely you can't be serious!

Okay, well here's MY claim: Fauci said that Trump handled the pandemic perfectly and there's nothing more that he could have done! And I don't need to back it up!

No, saying "you haven't sourced that Fauci said that millions could die" is not questioning Fauci! It's questioning YOU!

You think that the only way that anyone could've known how serious the virus was is the memo which made a prediction of "millions." Again, the information was that it could kill millions IF nothing was done! But the travel ban was put in place back in January! So something HAD been done! Also, you're questioning Biden's intelligence if you think that he didn't know how serious it was. He DID know - he just didn't think that he needed to cancel his rally, which I can understand. Biden probably heard Fauci a week before his rally saying that people don't need to change anything about their life! Nobody was interested in changing anything about their lives back then.

That's not relevant to this portion if the conversation. You randomly said "he is responsible for it all since he appointed them etc." Then I asked you who Trump appointed, to which you replied, "the corona task force. It's all appointed by Donald and Pence." Why do mention those appointees?

Why do you have your doubts? Trump was simply wrong about it magically disappearing. Don't you agree?

 

I'm asking why Trump's incorrect prediction meant that the ship was needed.

This doesn't mean that other things shouldn't be reported on - you're just trying to use it to cover up Maddow's uselessness!

 

So implementing the travel ban in January is an example of Trump not doing anything?

Not he did not complain. Source that he "COMPLAINED." You won't be able to!

I said that your REASON for why he got fired is an unproven conspiracy theory! I did NOT deny that he got fired and instead say that it's a conspiracy! How ridiculous to say that I did. This just shows how utterly DESPERATE you are!

It's very simple - Bright made the claim that he was fired for the reason that you believe. And Caitlin Oakley, a spokeswoman for HHS (his former employer) said, ″this is a personnel matter that is currently under review.” However, HHS strongly disagrees with the allegations and characterizations in the complaint from Dr. Bright." https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/08/fed...-doctor-should-be-reinstated-lawyers-say.html

So the official position of his former employer is that Bright was NOT fired for the reason that he is suggesting. Maybe that's true, maybe it isn't, however you're suggesting that it's not, which is a conspiracy theory! Anyway, he wasn't even technically fired from the government, just transferred to a different agency. Give up your RIDICULOUS unproven conspiracy theory! It's seriously PATHETIC!

What the hell are you talking about? OF COURSE someone can be transferred abruptly after it being more than a year in the making! Perhaps it was planned that he would be transferred a month later and it just happened earlier, more abruptly than originally planned!

I simply stated that five current and former HHS officials have said that the move was "more than a year in the making." I didn't say that it's a fact that this is what led to his firing.
However, it's certainly evidence that Bright's reason is a pile of bullcrap. We simply don't have enough information to determine what the reason is. However, I'm sure that you will stick to your utterly PATHETIC and RIDICULOUS unproven conspiracy theory!

And what the hell is the relevance to the Chinese government though?

For about the thousandth time, I'm using your own source against you:

So you're acknowledging that social distancing / physical distancing started in "mid March?"

 

I saw the press conference life. The 2.2 million was put in a graph / to bend that curve. Fauci explained bending that. And we already discussed that Fauci said himself that he got ignored for weeks. I sourced it with a vid even. Do pay attention.

That's attacking Fauci. And we've discussed this. You either back this up, or drop it.

https://www.c-span.org/video/?470841-1/white-house-warns-upcoming-painful-weeks
the vid at 15.45 shows that graph of a projection of millions op dead with Fauci standing right next to it. Fauci speaks at 23.00. And so.. "Surely you can't be serious!".... dude... you're absolutely got no idea at all what has been said.

Twitter would put a disclaimer on your nonsense.

You're endlessly doubting Fauci and his figures. I sourced the figures. I now even sourced the entire press conference. It's just never good enough for YOU. Even when Fauci says... "Nobody is going to deny this"... YOU are here placing doubts with nothing to back it up.

The point is that the memo showed how deadly the disease is. Information that Biden did not know. And you're mocking Biden for not applying social distancing, with hindsight knowledge. Donald had that knowledge and still he held massive rallies calling it the new hoax. You're applying double standards.

At this point, you pushed the goalpost since I made my point.

He was wrong to downplay it for over a month, instead of preparing the public. Starting late got people killed. Bright said this. Fauci said this. A university claimed this. Trump's responsible for his own inaction and downplaying.

 

It's part of that his inaction and downplaying the virus got people killed. That ship was needed to deal with the massive amounts of sick patients. It figures you are unable to connect the dots.

Nope. I just mock the right wing for "celebrating" a reporter was off by some days, while their right wing US president was wrong by 10.000's of lives.