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430.000 people came from China to the US directly during the first month when that "ban" was up. lol

I already sourced that he did.

Yeah. He says 1 thing, and he's abruptly being fired. It's just you that can't connect dots. Rather really simple dots.

Sure... and it's being reviewed for the heck of it.

Donald accuses the Chinese government not to be transparent. While Donald is not being transparent one bit himself with that memo saying millions could die, trillions got lost, while he yelled it was a new hoax all over. And here you are wondering what the Chinese government has to do with that utterly low double standard of Donald. Good lord.

Make your own point for a change here champ.

 

So American citizens and permanent residents should have been prevented from re-entering the country? Try again!

His response to Tapper's question was NOT a complaint! It's hilarious that you think that he was complaining! You are SO unbelievably desperate!

Yes, there's a good chance that he was fired for what he said, but you're assuming that it's because what he said was against Trump! Then presumably you think that Trump gave the order to fire him! That's a conspiracy theory!

Why can't you wait for the review to come out? And I notice that you had nothing in response to this part of my post:

It's very simple - Bright made the claim that he was fired for the reason that you believe. And Caitlin Oakley, a spokeswoman for HHS (his former employer) said, ″this is a personnel matter that is currently under review.” However, HHS strongly disagrees with the allegations and characterizations in the complaint from Dr. Bright." https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/08/fed...-doctor-should-be-reinstated-lawyers-say.html

So the official position of his former employer is that Bright was NOT fired for the reason that he is suggesting. Maybe that's true, maybe it isn't, however you're suggesting that it's not, which is a conspiracy theory!

You seem to be aware that social distancing / physical distancing started in mid March? Are you?

Is this still your position?

 

Then you should've just said that instead of talking about his incorrect prediction.

Still doesn't mean that other things shouldn't be reported on.

 

You don't seem to understand that all of this is MODELLING! And the accuracy of some of this modelling from all the way back in March has since been brought into question - particularly the modelling from the Imperial College of London. However, it's the best that Fauci and Birks had at the time. Now, you've done a VERY good job finding proof that millions of deaths was referred to by Fauci and Birks, let me congratulate you on that! Your challenge now is that you need to link this modelling to the information contained in the memo! Can you do that? I'll be MOST impressed if you can! So I'll leave that with you! Impress me!

It wasn't the ONLY indicator. You know that!

You don't read posts properly. I specifically said that Biden "didn't think that he needed to cancel his rally, which I can understand." Pay attention!

Just a few days before his rally, his main coronavirus guy (Fauci) was saying that people didn't need to change what they do!

You've made precisely ZERO point about coronavirus taskforce appointments! I really don't know what you're getting at. I mean you seem to be happy with the appointment of Fauci!

How can the memo be accurate if a million people haven't died?

 

Nothing to try about it. 430.000 people went right through this so called "ban".
All those people could have carried the deadly disease to the US. Nice going Donald.

You only say that because you don't like Fauci's response.
How pathetic. The source stands, your opinion is a joke.

No buts. There is no other reason. You lose.

Because Bright testified under oath, and there is nobody disputing this.

You aware I sourced Fauci wanted that in the 3rd week of February? Are you?

I still see you contesting Fauci saying "nobody is going to deny this".

 

I'm still mocking you right wingers that you can only "celebrate" such a small victory of a reporter being a couple of days off, when Donald is off by 10.000's of lives.

 

You previous said "Well Fauci didn't say it himself, and even if he DID, what evidence do you have that Fauci wanted to release the information EARLIER than March?"... and you're just dead wrong. I proved it. And now you're just pushing goalposts. You're just now demanding I go disprove your point, since you can't make your own point. Pathetic. My point stands that the WH knew in January that the virus was going to be really deadly, and instead of warning the public... Donald spread fake news and downplayed it, to than flip flop and blamed China as if they made Donald lie and downplay.... since you can't debunk the memo.

What other info was there in January that this could kill so many people?

You still brought up Biden, to mock him with his rallies like he had the info like Donald.
Such a strawman example.

I sourced the press conference about it.

 

Oh but I DO have a point! That there is no evidence that links that modelling to the information contained in the memo! If you have something, then present it!

Yes, the White House which included Fauci and Birks!

Just ask Biden. In January, he said this:

"The outbreak of a new coronavirus, which has already infected more than 2,700 people and killed over 80 in China, will get worse before it gets better. Cases have been confirmed in a dozen countries, with at least five in the United States. There will likely be more. "https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...us-less-prepared-joe-biden-column/4581710002/"

Unless you are defining "so many people" as MILLIONS! Which would be MOST convenient for you!

To mock BIDEN? No - to mock YOU for your insane double standard!

And I see that you were unable to respond to this part of my post:

"Just a few days before his rally, his main coronavirus guy (Fauci) was saying that people didn't need to change what they do!" So you don't appear to stand by your criticism of Trump holding the rally!

Yes and we'll never know if a million people would've died!

And I suppose Andrew Cuomo did a FLAWLESS job!

 

They went through a procedure at the airport before leaving! They would have been told to isolate for 14 days! So you think that American citizens and permanent residents should have been prevented from re-entering the country? Yeah, there's a little thing called THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION! Not sure if you've ever heard of it!

No, you're assuming that it's because what he said was against Trump! Then presumably you think that Trump gave the order to fire him! That's a conspiracy theory!

You mean nobody other than his employer?

Yes, and then it finally came on March 16!

Except that I've said MULTIPLE times now that I don't deny that live COULD have been saved, just like Fauci said!

 

You mean. You think you have a point, but you can't prove it.

but no Biden

80 people who died is not even in the same ballpark that millions could die in the US.
You lose.

You again question Fauci, with nothing to back it up.

You're deflecting.... and just like Biden.... as if Cuomo knew how bad it was going to be.
Donald kept that information secret, while he lied to his citizens.

 

You mean.. 430.000 potentially asymptotic people could have infected everybody they met between the airport and their house. It's not as if they desanitized the airport, the taxi's etc. Nice job Donald on curbing that risk of infecting people.

You either ban travel or you don't.

It is so, because there is a lack of explanation why he abruptly got fired.
Bright said under oath the same thing as Fauci.
Donald tweeted his support to get Fauci fired as well.

So Fauci was right that he got ignored for weeks. And to the question if this could cost peoples lives,.. Fauci asnwered: Obviously, and nobody is going to deny that.

No. The question was could lives have been saved. The answer is Obviously, and nobody is going to deny that.
There is no could in that answer. You've been trolling around and laughing around that so many people died.

 

In my last post, I said "if you have something, then present it." So you have nothing!

It remains that you have presented precisely ZERO evidence that links that modelling to the information contained in the memo! Well done!

Yeah, the White House didn't include Biden - so what?

It clearly didn't NEED to be millions in order for Biden to take it seriously! 80 was enough for Biden to take it seriously!

Fauci has not said that a million would've definitely died! You're putting words in Fauci's mouth!

Cuomo put old people who were infected with COVID back into nursing homes! New York is responsible for over TWENTY percent of the coronavirus deaths! And you're giving him a free pass?

 

I'm still waiting for you to say that American citizens and permanent residents should have been prevented from re-entering the country!

You said "there is nobody disputing this." His former employer did exactly that!

And Fauci was never fired!

So you admit that what Fauci wanted, but was ignored on, eventually came on March 16?

For about the one thousandth time, I'm using your own source against you:

"I mean, obviously, you could logically say that if you had a process that was ongoing and you started mitigation earlier, you COULD have saved lives," https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/12/...ushback-coronavirus-measures-cnntv/index.html

 

The memo is the evidence. You're unable to debunk it. You question the professionalism of the people working in the WH, just like you're questioning the professionalism Fauci plenty of times.

So you can't hold it against Biden to hold a conference. You're mentioning Biden over and over to deflect away from Donald, who lied and downplayed how deadly the corona virus was. I'm going to ignore the whole Biden thing going nowhere.

That has been predicted that this could happen if they weren't taking any measurements against it. I sourced the press conference with Fauci.

You're just deflecting away from Donald, who lied and downplayed how deadly the corona virus was. I'm going to ignore the whole Cuomo thing going nowhere.

 

The ban was to not get that virus, and instead of upholding it... they let in 420.000 people who were potentially sick in while the ban was supposedly up. The ban was a joke. It is a joke, because the amount of people died is massive, and economic damage is astronomical. Good job Donald!

Not under oath.

And?

I even sourced that Fauci said he was ignored for weeks,.. according to Fauci.

And than he adds: NOBODY IS GOING TO DENY THIS.
And here you are... trolling around defying all logic that mitigation doesn't work or something for the thousandth time.

 

The memo is the evidence that links that modelling to the information contained in the memo? WOW you're getting pretty desperate!

I noticed that you very conveniently left out this part of my post:

"It clearly didn't NEED to be millions in order for Biden to take it seriously! 80 was enough for Biden to take it seriously!"

Yes, it was PREDICTED! So we'll never know if a million people would've died!

No, I've NEVER denied that Trump downplayed it! However, you're giving Cuomo a FREE PASS even though he put old people who were infected with COVID back into nursing homes and even though New York is responsible for over TWENTY percent of the coronavirus deaths!

 

I'm still waiting for you to say that American citizens and permanent residents should have been prevented from re-entering the country!

He was saying what he THINKS the reason for his firing was, so he can't get in trouble for his opinion if it turns out to be wrong - it doesn't mean that he lied under oath!. He DID NOT say that he was given that reason as an OFFICIAL REASON!

So why does it matter that Trump re-tweeted a tweet which said "#fireFauci?"

Yes you did, but do you admit that what Fauci wanted, but was ignored on, eventually came on March 16?

Yes, I'm ONE of those people who cannot deny it! I cannot deny that lives COULD have been saved, just as Fauci said!

 

You aint able to debunk anything so far..... page after page.
So it's safe to assume you can't.

I'm not responding to your off topic trolling about Biden. You got no point to make about Biden.

And so Donald lied and downplayed all over the place.

Cuomo like Biden did not have access to the information that Donald refused to disclose. Hence he gets a free pass.
It wasn't China that wasn't transparent. It was Donald.

 

I just answered it.

Ah ... first it is... his employer is disputing the opinion Donald was acting way too slow hence he got fired. Now it is, his employer doesn't like that he says what he thinks. You're just making it all up. This is it: https://www.statnews.com/2020/05/14/trump-fires-back-rick-bright/

My point stands. He got fired for complaining Donald was not doing anything to stop the spread in an early stage. He said that under oath. You're just dismissing it with absolute nonsense. And all you got is some petty idiot who tweeted and some loser who claimed he wasn't showing up anyways.

That was in reaction of Fauci saying Donald ignored him for weeks when he wanted social distancing policies.
Only adds that Donald downplayed, lied and refused to listen to experts.
It's on him that all these people died and all that money was lost.
He did a terrible job. Total loser when the country needed a president the most.

I already responded to this.

That's not what Fauci said.
He says: Obviously you could logically say that if you have a process that started mitigation earlier you could have saved lives. Obviously nobody is going to deny that. And with that, he seals the fate on Donald the snail. In responds to that, he tweeted to get Fauci fired.

And idea of yours that concludes that this means Fauci claimed no lives would have been saved ... is simply defying Fauci.

 

Joe Biden disagrees with you! He thinks that the ban should've been implemented EARLIER!

Correct. And you're choosing to believe that they conspired to say that Bright was not telling the truth. So you're believing a conspiracy theory. Simple!

Why do you cite this article?

It's certainly correct that this is what he said.

Why does that matter?

Huh? I didn't mention anyone's Tweet! What the hell are you talking about? And who is this "loser who claimed he wasn't showing up anyways?"

And why does it matter if he said "#fireFauci" if Fauci was never fired? You have YET to explain this!

Well you didn't make it clear, but you certainly did NOT deny that what Fauci wanted earlier is what eventually happened on March 16! So, what happened on March 16 was FULL MITIGATION MEASURES! Which means that you think that Fauci wanted full mitigation measures before March 16!

The quote that you provide here has the words "could have saved lives" in it!

You cannot possibly be THIS brain dead! Either this or you are just so unbelievably DESPERATE that you're making up things that I said, DESPERATE to keep your hopelessly losing argument going for as long as you can! When the HELL did I say anything even CLOSE to "this means Fauci claimed no lives would have been saved?"

 

I'm not trying to debunk anything. I'm simply waiting for your evidence that links that modelling which Fauci and Birks used to the information contained in the memo! I'm completely OPEN to your claim! However, I expect precisely NOTHING from you!

No point? Other than he took the virus seriously but still held a rally later in March than Trump!

Lied about what exactly?

Again with the unproven memo! We knew that the virus was contagious, but Cuomo put SICK patients back into nursing homes and your giving him a free pass! I can't control my laughter!

 

Well @notme, it sure has been fun!

 

You're not even responding to the fact that Donald let in over 400.000 potentially infected people in after the ban was in place. Hence it's a joke.

You're unable to put a dent in what Bright said under oath.
He got fired for complaining Donald was not doing anything to stop the spread in an early stage.

He placed that tweet in responding to when Fauci said that Donald ignored him for weeks.
Goes hand in hand with what he was able to do with Bright.
Yet you don't see any link.

It has been my point all along that Donald the snail did not listen to Fauci and let this virus kill far more people in the US than necessary. I dunno why you think this needs to be confirmed. You're unable to deny that Donald did far to little... according to Fauci and Bright... the experts at hand.

The quote is specifically... "Obviously nobody is going to deny that." And here you are again and again.

 

Trump didn't let them in - The United States Constitution let them in. And not ONE SINGLE DEMOCRAT has complained about these 400,000 people returning to their country. They're radical, but they're not THAT radical! You're just making DESPERATE arguments now!

What he said under oath was HIS UNDERSTANDING of why he was repositioned! And therefore, being under oath makes no difference!

Again, it's certainly correct that this is what he SAID. However, if you believe it, then you are believing in a conspiracy theory. Not even Bright himself stated it as FACT!

Trump DID listen to Fauci because he implemented mitigation measures on March 16, when Fauci and Birks first recommended it!

Again, I'm one of those people who CANNOT DENY IT! I CANNOT DENY that lives COULD have been saved, just as Fauci said! I AGREE with Fauci!

 

Your argument of that travel ban is still a joke... when we both know 400.000 people were able to ignore it, bringing home the potential deadly virus. You're just deflecting around again putting a blame on democrats while Donald is at the helm.

It's not a conspiracy theory... since Bright testified this under oath. An oath that hasn't been proven he broke it. And it goes hand in hand with Donald's tweet to get Fauci fired when he said the same thing. And you only can drag in gossip to counter this. Pathetic.

That still makes it so that when Bright and Fauci wanted this, they got ignored... and so the virus was able to spread around with ease. Fauci even answered the question if these earlier measurements could have saved lives with: OBVIOUSLY NOBODY IS GOING TO DENY THAT. lol

And you react as if no lives would have been saved.
That is contesting Fauci.