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Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Lee Atwater, Oct 16, 2021.

  1. yardmeat

    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    The only evidence of cheating was on Trump's side of the table. And he still hasn't had any real consequences yet. The mass "fraud" exists only in the imaginations of tinfoil haters. They fail to provide evidence every time they are asked. They are motivated purely by feelings, not facts. And we shouldn't refuse to certify results based on hurt feelings.
     
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  2. Darthcervantes

    Darthcervantes Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I couldn’t have asked for more.
    You see how easy it is to cheat?
    You know how that dead vote would have never made it in the system?
    If they didn’t use ancient paper ballots

    I knew I would catch you debunking your own lies eventually but I never thought you would hand it in a silver platter

    thank you!
     
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    You are trying to back up your Alice in Wonderland claims by changing them to some Republican election officials are being criticized. Yawn.
     
  4. yardmeat

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    See how easy it is to catch?
     
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    Darthcervantes Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh they ALL get caught?
    Is that more of that liberal logic
    Sounds like desperation to me

    sad
     
  6. yardmeat

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    Sounds like your excuse for why you are never able to provide any evidence for your claims of mass "fraud" and "cheating" so that you can try to substitute your feelings instead. Yes, when people try to vote as a dead person, it is extremely easy to catch. Regular canvassing covers this.
     
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    Darthcervantes Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    what nonsense are you spewing right now?
    Ancient paper ballots are easy to fraud
    Voting at a machine in a booth is not easy to fraud
    This thread proves it and I see that makes you nervous because it doesn’t fit your narrative, which I find hilarious
    When did you guys become so easy to prove wrong? This used to be less boring to debate the left but you guys got so off the charts that the low hanging fruit is never ending
     
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    Voting as a dead person on any kind of ballot is easily caught and is caught in regular canvassing, whether the ballot is paper or not. The only "nervousness" here is in your continued inability to make your case that there was massive fraud and expect us to accept your feelings in place of actual evidence.
     
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    True. Doubt takes the place of proof and that's really all you need.
     
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    I agree that there is no justification for voter fraud. Why did you think otherwise?
     
  11. Grey Matter

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    That's your argument? Just partisan hackery, nothing to see here, eh? Your debate skills have left me so unimpressed that I've taken to the habit of ignoring you. You skip over the facts and simply respond with an inaccurate portrayal of my position. Unlike you, I see the problems with our Federal government and two party system as the systemic failure it is and I see that millions of folks pissed off about their perception of the solution to the incredible power that has been amassed by Corporations by choosing to support people like Donald Trump and Steve Bannon as the lowest display of analytic skill at politics as possible.

    And, on this specific thread you are clearly once again out of luck to make a valid point. Backup your claim that Ds are pursuing efforts to stack election officials with folks whose agenda is to reduce access to voting and decertify those votes which do manage to get cast. The pro-corporate conservative Federal court judges appointed by both sides but mostly by Bush and Trump, have uniformly dismissed all but one or two cases out of about a hundred that the Trump Rs have tossed on their dockets. A bit unexpected isn't it. What are your thoughts on why these judges threw out most of these cases?

    Spew forth all the weak ad hominem trash talk you care to while you Sir reflect the partisan team Trump hackery that you choose to project on myself and others who understand that these McCarthy era tactics being consumed hook, line and sinker by Donald's supporters in the GOP do nothing more than fulfilling the agenda of Vladimir Putin to destabilize the social and political structure of the US. It may well be the agenda of Wall Street to do so as well. Joe plumbers supporting the silver spoon brat from Queens, just sad at best and glaringly ignorant in any case. Sadly, the Ds do not have the leadership and cohesion to fight fire with fire. Merrick Garland's DOJ is cruising on a milquetoast path of status quo support of the general trend to empower the Presidency with unitary authority and no accountability for Trump's violation of very important USC laws regarding attempts to overthrow the government of the US. I have previously explained to you specifically my arguments on that subject and you genuflected in your response, in a manner that I cannot properly expand upon without violating forum rules.

    I look forward to your response to see if you can perhaps bring it with some facts and statements worthy of your age and experience rather than your tendency to rant rah rah rah like this is simply about your team winning whatever it is they are winning for to make happen.
     
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    I can only hope that you will ignore my future posts as well.
     
  13. Grey Matter

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    No problem, is this all you have as a follow up? If so then I'll put you back on ignore, please reciprocate since you seem unwilling to actually debate your position with any demonstration of putting forth an effort.
     
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    Now all you have to do is acknowledge this guy cast a fraudulent ballot for Trump, was caught, AND that you can not find other examples that amount to more than a hill of beans. Will there be fraudulent votes and human errors among the millions of votes cast? Yes. No one is saying there won't be. Is there any evidence at all the outcome of the 2020 election was impacted by fraud or human errors? None whatsoever.
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    As a reminder, this thread is not about virtually non-existent voter fraud. It's about Trumpists trying to replace experienced, non-partisan election workers in order to facilitate the kinds of methods Trump used in his failed attempt to steal the last election.
     
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    Thank you. I will respond to your posts if I see misinformation.
     
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    How it starts is when Big Government suspends the rights of it's citizens claiming an emergency pandemic and the greater public good, but as soon as we determine the public health emergency is over we will restore your rights. Until then you will be ordered to get shots every six months until further notice. But, don't worry, your rights will eventually be restored. In the meantime though, we are going to make government even bigger.
     
  18. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The people have to adhere to the restriction of a number of behaviors........like smoking......for the public's health. Which has nothing to do with the subject of this thread.
     
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    The subject of the thread is about our Democracy being taken away and, yes, Democrats are trying their damnedest to take our democracy away.
     
  20. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Be sure to write your congressman to insist the repeal of laws restricting smoking in public, speed limits, and vaccination requirements for admission to public schools for kids since they too threaten democracy according to you.
     
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    It doesn't stop just there. It also includes:

    phony accusations against Trump regarding the Russian Collusion hoax (including the phony Steele Dossier and insurance policies from Lisa Page and Peter Strzok

    The House abusing their power in numerous ways as a means of getting Trump, including two sham impeachments, one of which when Trump wasn't even president anymore claiming "oversight"

    The state of New York abusing their power to get Trump

    Partisan witch hunt investigations by the House regarding the mostly peaceful Jan 6th protesters, claiming and insurrection when there was no insurrection

    Wanting to eliminate the filibuster to further their power grab

    Wanting to add blue states to the Union to further their power grab

    Wanting to add seats to the Supreme Court to further their power grab
     
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    there are more votes cast than signatures in the precinct register? unlikely.
     
  23. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That's just way too many factually inaccurate Trumpist memes to address. The subject of the thread is documented examples of hyper-partisan Repubs seeking control, and in some cases taking it, over the mechanisms of elections. Thereby subverting democracy by way of frustrating the majority's will. Their motivation......the officials they are trying to replace did not acquiesce to the Big Lie.
     
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    Lake, a former longtime local news anchor at a Fox station in Phoenix, has become the early frontrunner in the 2022 Republican primary to succeed term-limited Gov. Doug Ducey, early polls and anecdotal evidence suggest. In addition to her high profile and her polished public speaking, Lake has jumped ahead of the field by joining Lindell in pushing lies about what happened in the free and fair 2020 election she falsely describes as "stolen."

    Lake's words have raised concerns among independent elections experts about the fairness of future elections in a key swing state. It is possible, though far from certain, that Arizona's 2024 presidential election will be conducted with two aggressive 2020 deniers at the helm: Lake as governor and state representative Mark Finchem as Secretary of State.
    Both of them have been endorsed by former President Donald Trump. And like Trump, Lake has not only disseminated false claims about the election but called for action based on those false claims.

    Lake has baselessly advocated the imprisonment of state Secretary of State Katie Hobbs, who is now running for governor, over unspecified election crimes; there is simply no sign Hobbs broke the law. Lake has also pushed for the imprisonment of unspecified journalists she claims have told lies about the election and other subjects.

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/16/poli...ake-arizona-governor-election-lies/index.html
     
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    The 2024 soft coup is in full advancement.
     

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