This is how the anti gun Left "thinks'

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  1. Bowerbird

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    So? Make the laws so that it only really affects the ones going to do harm. That is why we have road rules is it not?
     
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    Shoot someone in the neck at 10 feet with a soft point bullet and see what happen. You don't think it's body shots at 100 yards that decapitate people, do you?
     
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    Let us know how to do this.
     
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    Why do you want to do damage to another human being?

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  5. Rucker61

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    No one has a Constitutionally protected right to live. The government owes you justice, not perfect safety.

    Universal background checks don't work, and requiring guns to be locked up at all times violates the Constitution.
     
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    We're discussing terminal ballistics.
     
  7. Bowerbird

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    Do you know what part of the National Firearm Reform in Australia? Wasn’t the “buy back” because there are more guns NOW in private hands than there was then. Was it removing rapid fire high capacity weapons - that certainly did not hurt but there was not all that many here to make the difference in firearm mortality that we have seen.

    Every gun in Australia that is not in use has to be secured.

    That has been the big impactor
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    Even if it just reduces THIS statistic is it not worthwhile? Gun laws are not fir the responsible gun owner - they are for the idiot Twonks of which every country has its share
     
  8. Bowerbird

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    Can I add that to my signature in big letters attributing it to you?
     
  9. Rucker61

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    Nope.

    If there was a Constitutionally protected right to live, then the government would have no constraints to prevent them from any action they considered necessary to save lives. That's simply not true. We could just tear up the Bill of Rights. No warrants for any searches would be needed. No speedy trials, no bail, and cruel and unusual punishment would be allowed to prevent criminals from killing civilians.

    You should read Warren v DC and Castle Rock v Gonzales. In the US, the government has no Constitutional obligation to protect anyone.
     
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    it shows what a moron that hysterical congressman is-the second amendment is not a right to kill

    you also are not being honest when you claim that we put convenience over the lives of children. Gun banners pretend that their schemes will save children when that isn't even their motivation
     
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    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    I suspect he can do that rather easily. I know I can
     
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    No, the 2 Amendment says the people have the right to keep and bear arms. There's no ambiguity there.
     
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    so you want to ban all centerfire hunting rounds, bird shot, and buck shot and of course slugs. Ever seen what a load of # 6 shot does at the range the Uvalde killer shot those kids at? I have
     
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    You are impressed with people that are that ****ing stupid?
     
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    At least you're being honest about wanting to ban everything.
     
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    He talks like an Aussie - in other words not brainwashed by the NRA
     
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    Sure you can. Plenty of cartridges that'll reach out to 800 yards.
     
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    You wan to ban all shotguns?
     
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    apparently so or he doesn't understand the subject
     
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    You mean he starts off with a false premise and then moves on to ad hominem attacks and appeal to stone and emotion fallacy? Yes, in that regard he talks like all but two Australians I’ve met here. Neither are you.
     
  21. Toggle Almendro

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    How do you "know" this?


    If it was OK for Democrats to do that to W in 2007-08, it's also OK for Republicans to do it to Biden.
     
  22. Toggle Almendro

    Toggle Almendro Well-Known Member

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    Turnabout is fair play. Next time think twice before you play dirty tricks on Republicans if you don't want it done back to you.


    They shouldn't have been questioned about it in the first place.


    There was no insurrection, and she has the right to Free Speech.


    No. The left declared war on them.


    Your use of name-calling shows your inability to defend your position using facts or logic.


    Nonsense. No one said anything about "need". That's serf speak. It came from someone on the left.

    What the right says is that people use AR-15s to shoot prairie dogs.

    And they do.


    Your statement is doubly incorrect.

    The AR-15 is not a military weapon.

    He said nothing about "need". Only people who hate our freedom use terms like "need".


    People use larger rounds for deer. A .22 caliber round is just not appropriate.


    Well, yes. Our freedom does indeed overrule all else.

    But do note that our right to have guns does not cause any homicide whatsoever.
     
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  23. Toggle Almendro

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    I doubt that progressives are capable of learning.

    All they know is that they enjoy violating people's civil liberties, and they are frustrated that no one in America will let them do it.
     
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    Reality is always inconvenient for progressives, but no. Reality is not BS.


    Request denied. You don't get to violate people's civil liberties.


    I'm not a serf, and you aren't my lord. You don't get to decide whether I can use a given gun or not.

    I'll use whatever caliber I choose to use, and I'll do it without bothering to justify my decisions to you or to anyone else.


    Nope. Reality still isn't BS. Progressives should try learning to cope with it.


    No. It's a fact that lots of varmint hunters use such guns. It is what they are best for.


    Your attempts to violate people's civil liberties for no reason are not solutions, and preventing you from violating people's civil liberties does not make anyone complicit in any massacre.


    Military weapons have been tightly regulated for 90 years now. No legally-owned military weapon has ever been used to commit a crime in this period. Clearly, existing regulations are more than sufficient.


    You should be tried for genocide.


    The fact that everything that you say is untrue sort of matters.


    I do not share the common progressive opinion that freedom is a problem.


    No. We are not going to abolish freedom here in America,


    They have a permit. It even has a fancy stamp on it that was printed by the federal government (something like a postage stamp but larger).

    You are not their lord and they are not your serfs. You don't get to tell people that they can't have a gun because you don't think they need it.


    Everything that you say is untrue.


    It's the "people have the right to keep and bear arms" clause that covers all gun owners.


    Again, no. It doesn't matter how much you hate our freedom. We are not going to abolish freedom here in America.


    Nonsense. Check out the wounds from a .243 Winchester or .270 Winchester.

    The .35 Remington is a slowpoke of a round.
     
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    Nonsense. Gun availability has little impact on homicide rates.


    Nonsense again.

    Again, gun availability has little impact on homicide rates.


    Nothing. It is the left's push to violate our civil liberties for no reason that we object to.


    Why do you make such false accusations?


    Gun availability has little to do with homicide rates. Australia abolished their freedom for no reason at all.


    Except the left is not actually trying to mandate safe storage. They only want to violate our civil liberties.
     

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