This is the gun control legislation Mitch McConnell won't allow senators to vote on

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  1. Paul7

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    You'd rather the sheeple call the cops so they could show up 15 minutes later to draw a chalk line around their body?
     
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    We also have the most minorities, who do most of the carnage, even among mass shooters. Blacks and hispanics do about 95% of the killings in NYC. Take away the five biggest offender cities like Chicago, NOLA etc. and the US would be waay down that list you speak of.

    That is for the SCOTUS to dedide.
     
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    Sure. And somewhere, somehow, there is evidence Trump colluded with Putin to defeat Hillary. There just HAS to be. You KNOW that its true. Muller and his thirteen angry Democrats, including the many times disciplined Weissman of prosecutorial misconduct fame, just didn't look hard enough. ITS THERE DAMMIT!!!!! And you KNOW there is evidence linking the NRA and Russia.

    You read it in the Times, so it MUST be true......right?
     
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    The NRA spends a tiny fraction of the amount spent by public employee unions, and various other left wing anti-American organizations.

    They work for me keeping the anti-gun maoists from taking away my right and ability to defend myself against predators - animal, human or government.
     
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    Thousands of self-righteous, hapless Charlie Browns in a crowded venue all simultaneously whipping out their shooties and blasting away every time they panic at a loud report is highly likely to result in far more chalk lines drawn around bodies.

    The fantasy that all the gun-dependent are calm, cool marksmen who will immediately distinguish the malefactor from the throng all whipping out their shooties and blasting away, efficiently dispatching the evildoer without collateral damage, is a very silly fantasy, indeed.

    Calling for more guns per capita in a nation that already has more guns per capita than any advanced nation, and an extraordinary rate of people being killed by those ubiquitous guns, is not a rational policy.
     
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    Neither are any of your posts.
     
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    Sure let's talk about gun control...

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    I would challenge you have “the most minorities” and it is not “blacks” doing most of the mass shootings
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    Yup, about 10% of what Planned Parenthood spends lobbying politicians. The NRA isn't responsible for any deaths, PP is.

    Blaming the NRA for crime is like blaming AAA for drunk drivers.
     
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    Get back to me with a list of “leftist” supposedly non profit organisations who donated over $30 million to one campaign
     
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    You're ignoring the mass shootings on the South Side of Chicago, we just had a big thread on this.
     
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    Link please
     
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    That is a false charecterization of gun owners who conceal carry.
     
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    You are wrong. And in many instances, police who engage in shootouts hit multiple civilians, sometimes more times than they hit the bad guys. Believe me when I say many of my fellow citizens are better trained and more proficient with their arms than the majority of law enforcement, some of whom only have to qualify with their primary weapon once or twice a year.

    MORE guns per capita makes me feel all fuzzy inside. The more firearms held by more people means less chance of a tyrannical government rounding its opponents into boxcars for the cold trip to the gulag. I will be more than happy to risk being shot in a mall by an AR15 bearing lunatic or long gun of any kind (the chances of that being far slimmer than that I would be beaten to death by druggies with hands and feet, according to the FBI stats).

    Some estimates say there are upwards 500 million firearms and 18 trillion rounds of ammo already in the hands of free citizens. That government can't and doesn't have an accurate count of those numbers makes me feel all the more free in my daily life.

    There are more murders per capita in strictly gun controlled Mexico by far than in the US. Take away the stats of something like 62 counties in the US and gun violence in the US is among the lowest in the world. Most of us in suburban Texas, rural Montana, or anywhere in Idaho don't worry about gun violence. It mostly happens in Democrat controlled inner cities. We should begin a concerted effort to ban Democrats.
     
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    Conceal carry permit holders commit crimes at a lower rate than the police do. They are society's free cop.
     
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    If only he was "Moscow Mitch" liberals would love him. Did it ever occur to you that he is doing what the people that voted him into office want him to do? You just can't seem to grasp that America is not Australia.
     
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    Not to mention since the '90s Americans own twice as many guns today, and the murder rate is half as much. That's not supposed to happen, at least if you're a liberal.
     
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    Your racial notions are noted, but your targeting the cities you do is off-target. NYC's firearm fatality rate is, comparatively, quite low actually.

    Are Blacks more likely to be shot to death in America? Indeed. Are White guys with easy access to guns more likely to shoot themselves in America? So it would seem.

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    Are there geographic differences? Indeed.

    The reality is that the extraordinary rate of firearm suicides in America reflects the permissiveness that results in the availability of guns.
     
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    I have not authored proposed legislation in any of my posts.

    I expect that the democratic will shall increasingly result in politicians doing so.

    The People's demand that public safety be prioritized over special interests and permissiveness will result in progress.
     
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    No, it only reflects on the number of suicides. Suicide rate in Japan (18.5 per 100,000), strictly gun controlled Japan, is higher than in the US (15.3 per 100,000). People who commit suicide will find a way (Ask Bill Clinton if people like Jeffrey Epstein can find a way).
     
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    It is a realistic scenario. A dark, crowded, noisy venue in which many are alcohol impaired all whipping out their shooties because they have heard a loud report is hardly a formula for a surgical operation in the interdiction of a suspected wrongdoer.

    What are the attributes demanded of all gun-dependent individuals who need a concealed firearm?
     
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    Josef Stalin and Adolph Hitler approved of "public safety" measures resulting in progress. The British government, in order to make public safety greater, on April 19 1775 determined to override the special interests and permissiveness of the citizens. Didn't work out too well for them.
     
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    Blacks commit crimes far out of proportion to their % of the population. Do you dispute that?

    The US is only #34 in global suicide rates.

    A good response to your points by Michael Owen:

    "No amount of statistics or facts will sway either side in the gun control debate, because they are all looking for simple solutions to complex problems. The facts of those complex problems are uncomfortable and nobody really wants to come to grips with them.

    For example, we don’t really have a single America with a moderately high rate of gun deaths. Instead, we have two Americas, one of which has very high rates of gun ownership but very low murder rates, very comparable to the rest of the First World democracies such as those in western & northern Europe, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Japan, South Korea. The other America has much lower rates of gun ownership but much, much higher murder rates, akin to violent third world countries.

    The tough questions are those like, why do we have these two Americas? But that’s an uncomfortable discussion to have. So instead those on the left favor simple minded restrictions that target first world America, with its high gun ownership but very low murder rate, but don’t address the root causes of third world America’s violence at all. Meanwhile those on the right correctly feel their civil rights are constantly threatened, so they are constantly in a state of “better stock up before they finally ban it” and the guns and ammo fly off the shelves. The left’s constant gun control rhetoric is the greatest thing ever for arms manufacturers."
     
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    We aren't calling for more guns per capita, we're calling for an end to gun free zone legislation so you stop disarming the law abiding.

    Additionally: There are something like 10k homicides a year and 393m known arms in private hands in the US.
    What's the rate at which a gun is used to kill a person, given that info? Sort of far less than 1% isn't it? Not precisely what one would call an extraordinary rate, such a small statistical percentage
     
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