This is the gun control legislation Mitch McConnell won't allow senators to vote on

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  1. Mac-7

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    The suicide rate in japan without guns is higher than the US with guns

    Also the euros who have few guns kill themselves more often than US also
     
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    All guns are is means. The means to commit suicide exist in the absence of guns. Take for instance Japan. Fewer guns, higher per capita suicide.

    It's still stupid logic Natty.
     
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    So, prospects for Americans finally seeing the democratic will carried out by their elected representatives - aided by the scandals besetting Fancy Pants LaP and the elites - are greatly improved. Fake Don will wimp out, of course, but it's a promising issue for 2020.
     
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    Yes, your red herring failed.

    It does not impact other cultural factors that cause national suicide rates to vary.

    http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/suicide-rate-by-country/

    Would Japan's suicide rate be even higher if gun permissiveness was practiced there as well?

    We can only speculate, but the far lower firearm homicide rate with far fewer firearms available may be an indicator.
     
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  5. Chester_Murphy

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    Natty, clinical depression increases the likelihood of suicide and homicide, not the ready availability of firearms. This is something I know personally. Head injuries also cause depression, among other things like the high rates of infidelity in marriage, which is a major factor in homicide/suicide. The use of certain illicit drugs causes depression. Alcohol causes depression.
     
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    Liberals want to ignore the 2 Amendment and just govern from their hip pocket
     
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    Something is wrong. Mental illness is probably at an all time high.
     
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    I have cited studies that confirm that the permissiveness that allows the ready access to firearms increases both the likelihood of suicide attempts and the likelihood of the attempts being successful.

    You have indicated that you do not like that, but have yet to cite a single study to support permissiveness.
     
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    Bla bla bla

    Comparing Japan to America proves that people who want to kill themselves. - or others - always find a way

    Suicide by gun is your red herring not mine
     
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    So is liberalism
     
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    Cite that proximity to fire arms equates to suicidal feelings or your logic is stupid.

    Again Japan's high suicide rate renders your argument void.

    Don't need to. You are using stupid logic all I have to do is poke my fingers in the giant holes in it.
     
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    All advanced nations have mental illness.
    All advanced nations have alienated young men.
    All advanced nations have violent video games.

    The US is distinguished by having far more firearms and far more firearm fatalities than all other advanced nations.

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    Gun fanciers have that very large elephant crapping in their living room, but are hellbent on ignoring it.
     
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    Yeah, but that's brainwashing and indoctrination of weak minded individuals.

     
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    You are entitled to your opinion. I have provided links to actual studies that contradict it.
     
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    Than whom? Your society isn't nor ever has been like ours. Sorry, but you can't compare apples to oranges.
     
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    Of course I am. I don't need studies comparing your country to mine. They have no value.
     
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    No it directly refuted your argument.

    A society with fewer guns has a higher suicide rate.

    Homicide or murder?
     
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    Natty is not an American?
     
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    You need to deny that a myriad of cultural factors contribute to national suicide rates, and that easy access to firearms does not make attempted suicides and their being successfully carries out more likely.

    If you refuse to accept the data because it conflicts with your dogma, I can't help you/
     
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    If we go back in history, from 1900-1970 mass shootings, killings were rare. Since 1970 the have sky rocked especially since 2000.

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/mass-shootings-in-america-a-historical-review/5355990

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States

    The era of 1900-70 was one of little to no gun control laws, after 1970 there's been a ton of gun controls laws both at the federal, state and city level. I'm one of a minute minority that believes something has gone wrong with our society that encourages these mass shootings, killings. That unless we delve deep within our society to find our where we went wrong, these mass shootings, killings will continue and increase in numbers. There has to be a reason why, a cause. We'll never find that reason or cause until we're willing to look for it. We're not.

    I firmly believe that if one banned all guns, took all of them off the street, the mass killings would continue. But by other means since we have done nothing to root out the cause. We will have left the reason and cause in place. Now the mass killers would turn to knives, machetes, bombs, fire, arson, chemicals, driving cars and trucks into crowds, etc. If one wants to kill, they'll find a way.

    Guns in my opinion are the means of mass killings today, not the cause as so many think. Fail to deal with the cause, the reason behind them. Where our society went wrong, they will continue regardless of the means.
     
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    You don't provide any links to this preposterous nonsense.

    Guns don't have psychic powers that drive their owners to commit suicide.

    I'd laugh at anything calling itself science that suggests otherwise.
     
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    This chart appears to be liberal fake news

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate
     
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    No none of this crap is relevant. The bare numbers stand against you.

    More suicides in Japan, fewer guns in Japan. Guns =/= suicide.

    Sorry Natty it's over.

    Again, fewer guns in Japan, higher rate of suicide. That is data you refuse because it conflicts with your dogma.

    Don't project your pathological short comings onto me.
     
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    What has changed in our society since 1970?

    Please, someone list the changes.

    Edit: I was 8 years old. I can remember the differences at home. How did your life change, if you are a white male and lived here during the 70s?
     
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