This is why the facts, no matter how you twist them, will not exonerate Trump

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  1. squidward

    squidward Well-Known Member

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    There is nothing in the constitution concerning congress' sole power of impeachment that denies any citizen his full legal right to the courts.
     
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    What specific piece of physical evidence do you request and what evidence do you have that this specific piece of physical evidence contains information relevant to the prosecution?
     
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    *LOL*

    You think that "courts" can make the baaaad House give Bonespurs rights that he doesn't have? Please do tell.
     
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    Go get a court to compel him to obey the subpoena. Dare ya
     
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    Dispondent Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    2020 will exonerate Trump, regardless of what nonsense liberals spew between now and then...
     
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    Last I checked, the impeachment process is still happening, so the only thing it appears they can do is go to a judge and complain about Trump refusing to cooperate with a congressional subpoena. There are a few problems with that, but they can certainly try.
     
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    This is true, but refusing to appear before congress is not impeding the impeachment. The two things are separate, and the actual trial is done in the senate. The house was the investigation, and nobody stopped them from investigating.

    In other words, Schiff can pull his own finger all he wants, but that doesn't count.
     
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    This is why the facts, no matter how you twist them, will not exonerate Trump

    It is the senate trial that will exonerate him.
     
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    This part is the most lame part of the whole charade.

    Trump can just as easily claim that the House is obstructing his ability to initiate and conduct foreign policy.

    The Republicans in the House inserted the comments from Biden's TV admission of a Quid Pro Quo, so probable cause has been established to justify a request to look into how and why Shokin was fired.
    Yovanovitch is now on the hot plate because Judicial Watch has just rec'd the Ukraine information from the State Department.

    And now the Time story about the fact that Sondland was mistaken about having the Ukraine meeting.

    If I were a Dem in a district that Trump won I would be hiding under my bed right about now.
     
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    The Senate failing to convict on party lines is NOT an exoneration. It's a defendant "getting off" because he knows the jury
     
  11. Hoosier8

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    The House impeaching on party lines does not mean Trump is guilty of anything.
     
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    I think the court could compel him to comply, maybe, if the little butt hurt Demmies would pursue it, but they won't, and he is certainly within his rights to wait
     
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    Guilty of making little babies throw tantrums.
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Evidently you are not aware of the separation of powers where Congress has to go to court, as they always have before, for a decision on their attempt to breech the separation of powers.
     
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    Like Obama obstructed Justice in Fast and Furious?
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Three Presidents have done the exact same thing.

    Jackson
    Coolidge
    Truman
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    So long as you admit that the facts won't exonerate Trump, I don't care what you say after that. Which I guess would imply that Democrats got lucky that the facts just happened to align with their "evil purposes".... whatever they are...
     
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    I see... you actually believe that Trump's most faithful servants (so much that they exposed themselves to contempt by refusing to come before Congress) would express the same "opinions" and "hearsay" as those who gave testimony.

    That is very interesting!

    Looks like many Republicans are wavering in the defense of their idol.
     
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    Your problem is that you are outliers and getting worse. AOC, the new leader of your party, won a midterm primary with 11.8% of Democrats voting and radicals giving her 60% of their vote. Things will change when turnout rises to Presidential election levels in 2020. Stay away from sharp objects.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    What definition?
     
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    I watched the hearing today, and, again, the Republicans avoided the evidence against Trump. Some said the evidence didn't prove anything, but not one Republican could explain that premise using the evidence itself. They constantly brought up unrelated topics, quoting Presidents Washington, Andrew Johnson, Harrison, Jackson, Truman, and Obama. They brought up Russian interference in our elections, the Mueller Report, the FISA courts, Steele dossier, and Carter Page (who?).

    I could go on, but the reader gets my point.

    They tried to confuse matters by ignoring the unique nature of impeaching the President. They brought up routine examples of executive privilege throughout our history. They ignored what our Constitution says about impeachment. Article 1 Section 2 says:

    The House of Representatives "shall have the sole Power of Impeachment" (Article I, section 2) and that "the Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments ...

    Sole power
    , not the President and not the courts. In other words, when it comes to impeachment, there is no executive privilege. Congress has the sole power to determine what witnesses and what documents it needs to protect our Constitution from the impeachable offenses of the President.

    By refusing to comply with court ordered subpoenas, Trump clearly committed obstruction, and quoting George Washington doesn't change that.

    I almost felt sorry for the Republicans on the committee. They were helpless. Almost, they were defending a President who broke our laws and is a threat to our Constitution and our national security.
     
  22. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    No it doesn't!!!!

    Obama invoked executive privilege, but Holder still had to testify. Your mental confusion is typical among wingnut media audience, given that it's what they seek.

    Executive privilege allows information exchanged privately between a President a subordinate during the course of official business to be privileged and not revealed even to Congress. It can be used to refuse to answer to questions, or to issue subpoenaed documents. It does not exonerate them from answering questions not related to those.

    He has a right as I said above. But he has to invoke it. Trump has not invoked it. So your point is moot.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Sure. Once he's removed by Impeachment, he can sue them.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Certainly. And he'll have the chance to exercise that legal right as soon as we get an AG who is not his lackey.
     
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    This has absolutely nothing to do with him refusing to appear before congress.
     

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