This person's take on why JFK was murdered

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  1. usda_select

    usda_select Active Member Past Donor

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    True that.

    However here are facts:

    One of the few people who defected/emigrated to the Soviet Union and then back to the US at the zenith of the cold war...was able to leave Russia with his wife (verified by the State Department)
    ...a known anti-Kennedy activist (verified by the NOPD)...
    ...visited the Cuban embassy in Mexico (although you insist that some of the best detectives in the world lost him and couldn't verify he visited the embassy (a lot of life-time losers just visit Mexico without their wives on a lark I suppose))...
    ...just happened to be working at a menial job along the motorcade route when JFK passed by.

    Seems way too coincidental...
     
  2. Soupnazi

    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    Not really.

    Coincidences are common and yes yes many many people head to mexico for one reason or another with or without their wives.
     
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    usda_select Active Member Past Donor

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    Now you're just throwing nonsense out there completely without any proof or substantiation. You're, in essence, acting like a 9/11 truther.
     
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    jack4freedom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Coincidences like George DeMorinchild being freinds with Oswald and his wife and also being involved with GHW Bush, a known CIA asset. That, along with thousands of other indications that there was complicity by high government officials in JFKs murder. Incidentally, DeMorinchild committed suicide or was "suicided" before he was to testify before the Warren Commission. Anyone who buys into the so called official version of a lone nut gunman is a moron.
     
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    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    Wrong what I said was quite factual
     
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    usda_select Active Member Past Donor

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    Rubbish.

    You calling it “factual” is exactly what the twoofers say when they cannot prove what they have stated is remotely the case.

    Again,

    One of the very few people to defect from the US to Russia…
    Is allowed to defect back from Russia to the US….
    With his Russian Wife…
    Is arrested in New Orleans while spreading anti-JFK material…
    Visits the Cuban embassy in Mexico giving some of the best detectives in the world the slip…
    Just happens to be working alongside JFK’s motorcade route

    Incredibly unlikely that the totality can just be dismissed as a coincidence. Even more unlikely that he uncorks one of the most bizarre trick shots in the history of firearms that causes what…four entrance rooms, three exit wounds???

    You’d have more credibility if you were one of the “they substituted planes” dudes….
     
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    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    The proper spelling is George de Mohrenschild. His suicide was no mystery he had a history of mental illness and suicide attempts and had been institutionalized more than once.

    He DID testify before the Warren Commission and died in 1977 long after the commission ended it's investigation. He was somewhat acquainted with George Bush sr but not very well. They had corrensponded but not much else

    George Bush sr was never a CIA asset he was the director of the CIA in the 1970s which is entirely different as the director of the agency is usually a political appointee and not a spy.

    Anyone buying into conspiracy theories is ignoring facts and evidence as you have done. The evidence proves Oswald did it alone and no evidence supports a conspiracy.

    I realize you have watched JFK and perused a few you tube videos but they are all fiction and no facts support them. Had you bothered to actually study the investigation you would not have posted so many outright falsehoods.
     
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    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    What is rubbish is your claims.

    Yes it is absolute fact and only the ignorant would deny that many people with or without their wives cross back and forth from mexico to the US or the opposite EVERYDAY.

    HE did not defect to the USSR or back he emigrated and that is no mystery.

    H gave no detectives the slip when visiting the embassy in mexico. None were following him to give the slip to.

    Yes it is coincidence and nothing more.

    JFk's motorcade route was VERY long and literally tens of thousands worked along the route. The shot was not bizarre or tricky at all it passed through two men which is not uncommon

    Nothing to see here no matter how hard you wish
     
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    Yes but were they recently arrested in New Orleans?
    Yes but did they defect to Russia during the height of the cold war?
    Yes but did they re-defect FROM Russia the height of the cold war?

    Nobody at the border looks at his passport and it’s stamps from the Red Menace and makes any sort of notation…
    [/quote]

    Distinction without a difference.

    Yes…you may actually be right about that and it’s very convenient.

    It’s the most amazing coincidence only to be surpassed by the magic bullet theory.

    Source?

    And it just happened to go by someone who lead the most remarkable life for a supposed nobody loser….ever. So much so the US HOR agreed there was probably a conspiracy.

    Except the Mt. Everest of “coincidences” you dismiss.

    Spin all you wish; I dismiss most conspiracy theories because they are simply too massive to survive. In fact, most are so ridiculous, they needn’t be examined past the initial explanation. However, there is a difference between wearing blinders (as you’re doing) and examining known facts.
     
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    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    Distinction without a difference.


    Yes…you may actually be right about that and it’s very convenient.


    It’s the most amazing coincidence only to be surpassed by the magic bullet theory.


    Source?

    And it just happened to go by someone who lead the most remarkable life for a supposed nobody loser….ever. So much so the US HOR agreed there was probably a conspiracy.



    Except the Mt. Everest of “coincidences” you dismiss.

    Spin all you wish; I dismiss most conspiracy theories because they are simply too massive to survive. In fact, most are so ridiculous, they needn’t be examined past the initial explanation. However, there is a difference between wearing blinders (as you’re doing) and examining known facts.[/QUOTE]

    There was no stamp for any passport which said red menace. In fact in those days one did not need a passport to go to mexico.

    You are wrong it is not a distinction without a difference it is an important difference. Defecting is what one does when one is not allowed to leave.

    There was no magic bullet and the theory is a fictional invention of conspiracy loons. There is nothing tricky or bizarre about a bullet hitting two people. It went by tens of thousands of people.

    It is not a significant coincidence much less a mountain I am stating facts and blind to nothing
     
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    Nor was there apparently any interest in following around a known enemy of JFK who was visiting the state the next month. Again, if you’re in the business of making it easy for an assassin, those charged with protecting the President were very accommodating for Mr. Oswald. That you can’t see that is, well, sad.


    Given that the commies built a wall based on not wanting people to leave and were known to hold wives, mothers, and children hostage for those that did…it’s especially strange that this twice defector was allowed to leave. I’m sure you can produce dozens of other people who did the same thing right? No? Well…that you say this is something totally normal and yet can’t produce any other cases of the norm is…well…sad.

    Except this one went upwards after leaving Connally’s body the first time then downward after leaving his arm the 2nd time. Then was found on a stretcher apparently; not by invasive surgery. But that’s cool. If you want to say that a bullet causes 4 entrance wounds and 3 exit wounds; thats fine. That it came from a man who was just inspired by nothing who…

    Just happened to have defected from the US to Russia
    Just happened to re-defect from Russia to the US
    Just happened to have been able to leave Russia with his wife
    Just happened to have been arrested while passing out anti-JFK leaflets in New Orleans a few months Prior
    Just happened to be totally ignored (as you say) when he went to the Cuban embassy in Mexico and
    Just happened to be working at a menial job along the motorcade route…

    Thats cool…the coincidences just keep piling up. Nothing to see there. :rolleyes:

    Again totally unsubstantiated statement. Source that please.

    Yeah…okay.
     
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    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    He was not an known enemy of JFK until he shot at JFK he made no statements of any kind which threatened JFK so you are making another false assumption.

    IN this case the commies did not want Oswald there in the first place and were glad to let him leave.

    No that is an absolute fallacy it did not go upward after leaving Connally's body whatsoever. The distance between his arm and chest was a matter of inches and the angle did not change whatsoever. Your claim that it did is pilled straight out of imagination,


    Oswald never defected so every time you make such inaccurate and misleading statements you are ruining your credibility and proving you know nothing about the case.

    He was never arrested for passing out anti JFK leaflets in NO or any where else.

    Yes nothing to see here.

    It is not unsubstantiated.

    Uh you should be aware that Dallas is a huge city and the motorcade went THROUGH downtown Dallas which like every city is filled with office buildings which in turn are filled with people working.

    In addition the streets were lined with tens of thousand of people just watching the motorcade.

    Sorry you really need to learn more you are way out of touch and grasping at straws
     
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    usda_select Active Member Past Donor

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    I get it…I’m slow to believe conspiracies as well. In this case, however, the evidence is abundantly clear that there was more to Oswald than the “lone nut” theory you’ve bought. Heck, if nothing else…his being silenced right after in police custody should be enough to give any honest observer pause.
     
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    You nailed it...that executive order which negates the privately controlled federal reserve was the final straw for the globalists.....
     
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    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    Except you are wrong and it never negated the fed
     
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    Don't believe history do you..lol....
    Mr Kennedy's executive order started the government printing constitutional non debt, non interest bearing money, outside of the Fed...which effectively negated the Fed and it's debt money system, with interest..300 millions dollars were printed outside the Fed by Kennedy...
    As this effectively shut out the international bankers from providing the currency for the nation, with interest, Mr Kennedy's fate was sealed....Presidents Lincoln, Garfield, Mckinley before him all suffered the fate for going outside the corrupt international banking cartels....
    I suggest you do some research and study on this topic before passing you erroneous judgements on the topic.
     
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    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    I do believe history you are simply not correct or accurate.

    You need to actually read the order you are dead wrong
     
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    I am not dead, and I am not wrong..whats your next lame excuse?
     
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    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    Yes you are and that is proven.

    Post the executive order itself and then demonstrate how it negated the federal reserve. Until you do you are proven wrong, It is public information junior and all you have done is cite obscure conspiracy theories with no evidence.
     
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    You are obviously unable to research anything on your own, and it is doubtful if you can read but here is a link for you to try...try...try to read and understand if you can.......http://www.rense.com/general76/jfkvs.htm
     
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    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    Thanks your link is not the order but it does include the actual executive order.

    If you read it carefully you can see how you just defeated yourself.

    The executive order only permitted the government to issue silver certificates it did NOT strip or negate the power of the Federal Reserve bank which continued ( uninterrupted ) to print money and control interest rates.

    It's all right there. And it proves your idiotic theory wrong.
     
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    It is not a theory and it is not idiotic....it takes an idiot to do an idiotic theory, and you seem to qualify for that.
     
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    Soupnazi Well-Known Member

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    Yes your claims are idiotic theories as has been proven.

    You know it
     
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    Well, you had my interest until you said this ^

    :rolleyes:
     
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    :applause::clapping:
     

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