Those hideous masks with the stupid valve

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  1. Bowerbird

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    Mate I date back to pre HIV and it was considered “insulting to the patient” to wear gloves for anything. The HIV pandemic changed infection control forever
     
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    do you have a fever? Are you infected?
     
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    I could get the virus anytime and be an asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic spreader, since I work daily with Covid-19 patients. So, yes, when I wear an N95 in public that has an exhalation valve, and I cover the exhalation valve with a face mask on top of it, I'm protecting my community. I did take an oath to do no harm, you know?
     
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    nurses and techs don't take that oath, Drs do
     
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    So you think I'm a nurse or a tech? LOL. I won't claim credentials because claiming credentials in an anonymous forum is a fool's errand, but do look up some of the more scientific discussions I engaged in, for example with poster 557, and try to reach a good guess if it looks to you like stuff a nurse or a tech would know. Be the judge of it yourself; I don't need to claim anything.
     
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    I agree with you on a fools errand. Please do not denigrate nurses or techs as many are quite bright.
     
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    So unbelievable that there are people in the 21st century that are acting as if we are living in a time when germs did not exist because they were unable to see them. I wonder if they bathe as bathing washes off the protection they have against demons and witches.

     
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    I'm not denigrating anybody. It's just a fact that I know waaaaaaaay more than nurses and techs. It's just a feature of schooling and training, and decades of experience with continuing education and maintenance of certification, built into those decades. And for your information, this has nothing to do with intelligence. Information is not the same as intelligence. But you can get the smartest nurse and the smartest tech, someone possibly smarter than me, and that person, short of being a phenomenal self-taught knowledge-absorbing monster, would still know way less than I do, about the science and practice of medicine. Is it possible that the person would know more than I do? Yeah, I guess. But it's pretty darn unlikely. Like odds of 1 in 1 million. I've never encountered one, except in the very beginning of my career when I learned some specific pragmatic stuff from some experienced senior nurses. But yes, nurses and techs are valuable members of the team, and I make damn sure that I respect them and make them feel extremely good about themselves, and whenever appropriate, I ask for their input and praise their contributions. I'm very popular with them, actually.

    Let me ask you something. If your son, God forbid, shows up with a brain tumor, and you take him to a neurosurgery practice, who would you get your advice from? The phlebotomist, or the neurosurgeon? Who do you think is most qualified and knows the most about brain tumors: the phlebotomist, or the neurosurgeon? This is not to denigrate the phlebotomist, a valuable member of the team; when you need a fast blood test for someone with difficult veins, you want to have a good and experienced phlebotomist around. But to pretend that somehow, even it the person has an extremely high IQ, even if the person is inquisitive and curious and self-taught, it would be likely that the phlebotomist knew more about neurosurgery than the neurosurgeon... is utterly and completely ridiculous. If that's the case, then I advise you to take your son elsewhere.
     
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    Demanding the wearing of masks that elevate a person's blood carbon dioxide levels by blocking normal respiration and exhausting of carbon dioxide is very much doing harm to the individual.

    Many rationalize causing such harm under the cover of law.
     
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    Please link to the scientific evidence that this happens.
    As far as I'm aware the evidence shows this to be untrue and nothing but made up nonsense.
     
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    It appears from this post that my understanding of human physiology is more advanced than your understanding of the same, especially the cycle of respiration.

    From your previous post, it appears your understanding of constitutional law and principles is equally deficient.
     
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    It appears you don't know the difference between bragging and providing evidence.
    Ps it is most civil to attack the post not the poster.
    Have a nice day.
     
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    Evidence so far, 10 months in, shows that Covid is not as bad as Fauci and the MSM would have us believe. Evidence so far shows the books were cooked BIG TIME, and the whistleblowers working in the system exposing those cooked books were censored by your idols.

    Evidence shows the virus to have an IFR of .03 or much lower, very close to the same as the seasonal flu.

    Evidence shows the media very reluctant to discuss that. Evidence shows that herd immunity is here, or very nearly so. Evidence shows the media to be reluctant to discuss that. Evidence shows the media is more concerned with fear mongering than with truth telling.

    Evidence is starting to suggest you would rather not hear about that.
     
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    You still seem to be struggling with the concept of evidence.
    Let me put it another way,
    Show your work.
     
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    The evidence is ample, but for whatever reason, you are unable to perceive it. One cannot describe a rainbow to a blind person.
     
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    Another empty post with no attempt to show evidence to back up your assertions.
    A casual observer might conclude that you are unable to find any and are merely avoiding admitting it.
    I feel you are wasting my time so unless you find any evidence please don't respond to me again.
     
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    Which is why so many have it while wearing an inadequate mask, and complaining about people who are protecting themselves.

    The valve is for a reason, the reason is so they wear it and don't get so uncomfortable; I see people pulling their masks down constantly, because they are uncomfortable, and they must breathe in that cool air with potential aerosols.

    The other reason people touch the masks so often is same reason some pick a scab, it's irritating.

    If both people have a more adequate mask, both with valves (which can stick by the way), both are protected better than two with one having a valve. If one has the Wuhan, the other can't get it, but with masks that "confer little safety benefit to the wearer," both get it.

    Enjoy the spread, that will continue because masks "confer little safety benefit to the wearer," and enjoy that idiot fracking CDC director waving around the mask DESIGNED NOT TO PROTECT THE WEARER.

    Assume everyone has it, and especially if high risk, protect your fracking self.
     
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    I think that would only be a problem if the mask volume was the size of a Bee Keepers hood.
     
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    Essentially everybody DOES have it.

    The trouble is that the virus, while not exactly benign, has an extremely low IFR. The herd immunity has been developing slowly for about 10 months now.

    Here, listen to the most excellent and highly informed sermon from Father Altier in Minneapolis:

    https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/...-are-starting-to-come-out-against-covid-scam/

    The good father is far more informed than you seem to be.
     
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    A lady asked me if I wanted to get in her cage at church on Sunday, nope, I was a very happy wet biker who doesn't care if it's an Obamanation/Chinese bioweapon, it's here, and it kills Darwin Award winners. Those that don't want Biden/BLM neo-commie terrorists to win, better not kill any more voters.
     
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