Those of you, who think Natives had it worse than Black slaves...have you ever heard of

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  1. Raffishragabash

    Raffishragabash Banned

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    Michael Doran?


    check out his scholarship on Indian tribes, practicing White racism, by owning Black slaves:

    Doran, Michael. "Negro Slaves of the Five Civilized Tribes". Annals of the Association of American Geographers. Taylor & Francis, Ltd. 68: 335–350. doi:10.1111/j.1467-8306.1978.tb01198.x. JSTOR 2561972.
     
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    Whites owned black slaves, indians owned black slaves, blacks owned black slaves basically every racial group owned black slaves.

    Funny though if you're not white you get a free pass and am somewhat excused.
     
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    Oppression Olympics is an idiotic sport.

    Those are you obsessing about who had it worse throughout history are idiots and a waste of precious oxygen.
     
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    Who is excusing whites of owning slaves?
     
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    Im not, read it again.
     
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    My bad.
     
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    Whites owned White Slaves, Blacks didn't own White Slaves, Indians didn't own White Slaves. Basically, we racist ass White people made sure no other Race, owned us, yet your xenophobia still seeks to find a way to blame it all on Black slaves.
     
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    Yes, for trolling in here.
     
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    Are you saying here Indians owning Blacks, as slaves, is not proof that Indians did not have it worse than Blacks way back then:

    btw

    Here you go... Ties That Bind: story of an Afro-Cherokee family in Slavery, you know, in case you decide to stay on-topic in here 8)
     
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    How am I trolling? I made one post (which admittedly was wrong due to me not reading more carefully), got corrected by the poster I responded, and apologized. How is that trolling?
     
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    That's meaningless and irrelevant to your, trolling effort, which was the moment you decided to come post here without addressing the topic. But hey, I get it.

    You knew that I know that, we BOTH knew, that you know that I knew darn well how you operate whenever you stumble upon, titanium-coated, ironclad arguments which you simply cannot transcend whenever you delude to the effect/affect of our White-Racism.
     
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    I thought my post was relevant to the discussion.
    Lol.
     
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    How is a race that tries not to be enslaved racist. Surely you're just trolling and cannot really be this stupid can you.

    I really do suspect you're quite a talanted and intelligent troll and not this moron you make yourself out to be.

    And to be honest both scenarios are pretty sad.
     
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    The topic is oppression Olympics. I'm on the topic what I call that topic stupid. I'm not talking about veganism being stupid or any other random nonsense. I'm talking specifically about this nonsense.

    That's my view if you don't like it disagree with it carry on. But I'm on topic.
     
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    Calling people names or accusing them of things like trolling is what people do when they hold the position that isn't logical and that they cannot defend.
     
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    So slavery isn't the problem but whites are?
     
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    Well pal Tiya Miles and Michael Doran both received a lot of national respect, for publishing facts and truths, about us White people empowering the Indians to join in on enslaving Black humans. Therefore no matter how you feel about this, topic, it will not change how you are here as a miniscule troll posting only your emo rants off-topic.

    So I'm sticking to the words like, Doran's, and not the whines and cries of people like you who hate facing the reality of evil which we White people hath perfected.
     
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    Yes, unfortunately. You are very, very accurate here.
     
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    How is what you said not racist? If I replaced whites with Jews, I'd be parroting Hitler. If I replaced whites with blacks, I'd be parroting those in favor of black slavery and Jim Crow laws. The list goes on. Why is it not racist to say whites are the problem?
     
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    Once again the topic is oppression Olympics it is a stupid topic me telling you that the topic is stupid is directly on topic.
     
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    The Moors kept white slaves, guess your either ignorant or lying...
     
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    Basically the way it was was that if you wanted to get ahead, if you wanted to rise in society, no matter what color you were you got you some slaves if you could afford it.

    But I've read that it took about five years before the cash up-front money to buy a slave was covered, and only then did a slave start making money for the owner.

    That all sucked, of course, but that's the reality of how it was.

    These days it's sex trafficking and sex slavery. That sucks too.
     
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    The OP is just trolling and just pissing over black people.
     
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    Is NPR.org here, trolling?

    https://www.npr.org/2011/09/20/140630565/americas-2nd-largest-indian-tribe-expels-blacks

    America's 2nd Largest Indian Tribe Expels Blacks

    NPR STAFF

    The Cherokee Nation recently stripped citizenship from a majority of African-Americans who descended from slaves of wealthy Cherokee Indians before the Civil War. Host Michel Martin discusses this controversial move with MacArthur Fellow Tiya Miles, who studies interrelated histories of African-Americans and Native Americans.

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    Black Freedmen, who are descended from the slaves of Cherokee Indians, protest their expulsion on Sept. 2 outside a regional Bureau of Indian Affairs office in Muskogee, Okla. Marilyn Vann, in pink, is the president of the Descendants of Freedmen Association.

    Alex Kellogg/NPR
    MICHEL MARTIN, host: I'm Michel Martin and this is TELL ME MORE from NPR News.

    Coming up, a major civil rights victory for LGBT servicemembers. The policy which prevented them from serving openly in the military, the so-called "don't ask, don't tell" policy comes to an end today. We'll talk with a decorated Air Force veteran who's career came under a cloud because of "don't ask, don't tell." We'll ask him about his thoughts about this day.

    But first, we wanted to talk about one of the many complicated stories that involve race and heritage. While it is well-known history that slavery was a common practice in the Deep South before the Civil War, less well known is the fact that it wasn't just white families that were slave owners.

    Some well-to-do Native Americans also owned slaves. In fact, the late Cherokee Nation Principal Chief Wilma Mankiller wrote in her autobiography that, quote, "The truth is that the practice of slavery will forever cast a shadow on the great Cherokee Nation," unquote. Indeed that shadow continues today in the latest iteration over the debate over just who to include as members of the Cherokee Nation. The Cherokee Supreme Court has stripped some of the slave descendents known as freedmen of their Cherokee citizenship in the decision last month...



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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...hip-is-our-birthright/?utm_term=.8c2009c04498


    Post Nation Perspective
    I'm a descendant of the Cherokee Nation's black slaves. Tribal citizenship is our birthright.

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    A decade after the Cherokee Nation voted overwhelminglyto deny citizenship for descendants of the people it enslaved, a district court judge has invalidated the tribe’s decision.

    The Cherokee Nation has long argued that only those with Cherokee blood should be citizens — excluding the descendants of its black slaves — and a legal ruling otherwise would be an affront to its sovereignty and self-determination.

    Journalist Kenneth J. Cooper disagrees and is gathering evidence to show he and his relatives are among the estimated 3,000 living descendants of Cherokee Freedmen and deserve citizenship. (Leaders of the freedmen’s group have said as many as 25,000 descendants could be eligible to apply for citizenship.) Cooper explains why this part of his family’s identity deserves formal recognition:


    I’m preparing to order certified copies of birth certificates: seven of my grandmother’s from Oklahoma, seven of my mother’s from Kansas, and 10 from Colorado, where I was born.

    I’m getting them to enroll myself, my siblings and our nieces as citizens of the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma. My birth certificate and my siblings’ identify both our parents, in the language of that bygone era, as “Negro.”

    So why are we, African Americans, seeking citizenship in a Native American nation?

    Two weeks ago, Thomas F. Hogan, a senior U.S. district court judge in D.C., ruled that descendants of the former slaves of the Cherokee — yes, the Cherokee had black slaves, an unusual bit of American history most people don’t know — were entitled to citizenship in the Cherokee Nation under a treaty signed in 1866...
     
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    I believe the blacks and Indians suffered from subjugation by whites which is why they do not go after each other..(too much)
     
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