Thousands protest Tunisia gender equality proposals

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  1. dixon76710

    dixon76710 Well-Known Member

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    NOTHING in the founding documents prohibits even blatant discrimination by private businesses
     
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    Very True - https://business.financialpost.com/...lose-the-gender-wage-gap-its-already-happened
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The pay gap has largely disappeared - and even gone the other direction in some sectors - contrary to what the Nazi Feminist "bad science" /biased studies and flawed use of statistics claims.

    https://business.financialpost.com/...lose-the-gender-wage-gap-its-already-happened
     
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    The founding documents established our form of government and assigned power to the branches and set the basic guidelines for human rights. They don't contain all the laws of the land, which number in the hundreds of thousands. The founding documents don't forbid even blatant discrimination, but there are laws that do. Keep in mind we are a single nation with a wide diversity of citizenry. We need to be united as that one nation. Discrimination divides us as a people and a society and as a nation. It's harmful, period.
     
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    Hang on, you've gone from banned to we have nothing to defend ourselves? Why have you made that jump? You said guns, knieves and cars are banned but they are not. So please explain why you think they are banned?
     
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    Well because they are.

    You cannot legally defend yourself with a firearm.

    The only way a knife could be used in self defense is if you purchased it for non-self defense purposes, and picked it up in the middle of an attack in desperation to defend yourself.

    You can't legally have or carry one for the purposes of self defense.

    You are authorized to purchase two items for the purpose of self defense: a rape whistle, and a bottle of dye. Ostensibly to identify your killer I would guess.
     
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    Nonnie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes you can . Who says you can't? Which law? You can use reasonable force. If gunmen are shooting at you, you shoot back, that's reasonable. Take the Tony Martin case. The prosecution had shown that he didn't shoot in self defence, it was not reasonable force. If the burglars were armed and shooting at him, then he would have been entitled to shoot back. So he was jailed.

    Yet again, false. The sale and type of knife on sale is restricted in locking mechanism and blade size. This is the law - It is illegal to carry any sharp or bladed instrument in a public place, with the exception of a folding pocket knife, which has a blade that is 7.62 cm (3 inches) or less

    Where does it say you have to wait to the middle of a fight? In fact, how would you determine when you reached the middle of the attack? Does the attacker let you know?

    Here's the police's response -

    https://www.askthe.police.uk/Content/Q589.htm

    The link gives advice by the police. I think you have to realise that unlike America, we're not paranoid with street attacks. What the police advise and what people carry are two different things. Some 70% of crime in London is caused by immigrants, often against other immigrants. If you can show reason why you're carrying a certain item (that's assuming that somehow the police know that you are and stop you), then there's nothing they can do. I work in construction and always carry a work knife in my pocket, it's relevant to my work and I can easily show reason. You have to keep in mind that I'm 50 and never been attacked, seen an attack or been stopped by the police.

    Honestly, you need to get more learnered !!

    What happens if the intruder dies? Read the link and learn.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19886504

    In America the default stance and macho thing to do is shower an intruder or potential attacker in a hail of bullets. Then whoop and hi five one another. Am I correct?
     
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    That is a slippery slope argument.
    Logical fallacy has been detected.
     
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    A wedding cake made by the baker of your choice isn't a human right.
     
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    The U.S. Constitution was meant to be a "living" document, open to change, and malleable over time. It was imperfect when written, and has improved over the years, but it's still imperfect. But it's also open to our own changes if we can come to agreement on what changes are needed.
     
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    The constitution should be rewritten to provide special rights for women, African-Americans and gays, white males will be legally recognized as slaves.
     
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    Oh, I see you think rights should be based on something other than being human….how odd, and unfair.


    So who should have more rights?

    Those that can throw a ball farther?

    Those that pee standing up?

    Those that are the most violent?

    Those who aren't in wheel chairs?



    What characteristic must a person have in your mind to have equal rights?

    Do you just divide that between women and men or do you have sub categories (race, health, wealth, IQ, etc. ? )
     
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    I agree with the first half of your post, but if we make whites slaves, then we essentially repeat the same mistakes our founding fathers made with slavery, and all the progress our predecessors struggled to make becomes meaningless. No. . .no more slavery. No more elevating any one group of any kind to some kind of artificial superiority. Let's abide by the iconic statement in the Declaration of Independence, "all men are created equal," and enlarge it to say "all humans are created equal"--because we are.
     
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    You lost me. (Sorry, I didn't know the quote I was responding to wouldn't show, and I don't know how to delete this post.)
     
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    Luckily gender is a social construct, so if you want, you can just be a man.
     
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    Your post illustrates how easily one can demean or belittle others with whom we disagree. The lives of transgenders is filled with stresses you and I can not even imagine. The issues to be faced and the overwhelming changes that must be dealt with for each and every one are literally life changing and a life-long challenge. These people are incredible beings just to have the strength and courage to face it all. They deserve our respect above all, even if we can't imagine what compels them to such action.
     
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    Are you saying gender isn't a social construct?

    As to why, that's easy.

    It's the same reason there are people who want to chop off their own arms and legs.

    Mental illness.
     
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    I feel like you only see final results, but don't see the pathways that get you there. Life is a journey, not a destination. You're seeing only the destinations. Be more open and aware of the processes. There's so much you're missing. It doesn't all fit into separate little containers.
     
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    So you can't debate the point but you'll throw in some random feelings to try and compensate.

    You can't answer the question regarding is gender a social construct.

    You can't admit that what you're really talking about is mental illness.

    To answer your feelings, I do actually care about people with mental illness.

    I just don't think throwing people who think they're mermaids into the ocean helps them.
     
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    While sexual orientation, they claim, is an inherent biological trait that they are born with...... well, unless they decide to switch social constructs of gender which can turn a gay man into a heterosexual woman.
     
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