Three million EU citizens in the UK could be deported if Britons vote for a 'Brexit',

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    I’m vaguely in favour of remain but even I can see this as the alarmist propaganda it is. The idea that millions of EU citizens would be deported is ridiculous (and not it was the “news”paper that raised the word deported, not the government. Obviously if we left the EU, the status of EU citizens living here would change but it would be in everyone’s interests to establish a smooth transition process to account for that.

    On obvious piece of evidence that this is propaganda is that one side only mentions the EU citizens living in the UK while the other side only mentions the UK citizens living in the EU. They’re all selecting facts that fit their narratives and ignoring anything that challenges it. I’m not sure about separating the UK from the EU but I could certainly see benefits from separating us all from the partisan politicians. If only we had somewhere to deport them to.
     
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    That's the easy part.
    Drop them off on the Spanish beaches opposite Gibraltar.
     
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    snakestretcher Banned

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    Can we send our racists and bigots there too please?
     
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    Gaius_Marius Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why exactly should Spain have your racists and bigots? Spain and Portugal already get enough loser Brits every summer. Keep them... And leave the EU while you are at it. I will enjoy watching you beg to join for a second time.
     
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    Is there going to be an exemption for me? I'm too old not to be a bigot.

    This is my take on racism.
    Racism is OK as long as it is funny.
     
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    I don't care where they go, frankly. As for 'loser Brits' why don't you tell us how well Spain's economy is doing and why our tourism money is so welcome there. I also recall that Portugal's disastrous economy had to be bailed-out four years ago.
     
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    Always glad to bring another man such pleasure.

    The dole queue is full of Portuguese.

    Spain should have our deported immigrants because they deserve to reap some consequences.
    It kills two birds with one stone.

    I'm going to enjoy English being the primary language of the EU when we have gone.
    How pathetic you will feel every time you speak to each other.
     
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    Gaius_Marius Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Spain has been a semi failed state since their inflation crisis from the gold and silver they got from the new world. I am sure many of the people who make money from these drunk, violent hooligans are happy enough. The rest of us tourists not so much.
     
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    Gaius_Marius Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Your words do not carry much weight around here. The Portuguese will survive as they always have. I am a bit surprised by the harsh words towards your oldest and most faithful ally. You have been allied since 1373 and have the oldest alliance in existence.
     
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    I like all my Portuguese friends.
    That does not change that they are all on the dole.

    That alliance doesn't seem to have been a very good one. I can't think of a war we've fought in which they have turned up to.

    Perhaps there was one in 1373?

    European allies we neither need nor want. They are a luxury only. They will never come to our defence. They never do and they never have.
    Indeed it has always been them and only them we have ever needed to be defended from.
    The only allies that have ever responded to our alliances have been those of the Commonwealth. All other alliances have proved to be historically worthless thus far.

    (William of Orange is an exception? Go Dutchland! We love you)
     
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    You could of course have checked it faster than writing that post. Instead you chose not to and embarrass yourself in the process.
    Refer to the Wiki article as it gives a good overview of it.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Portuguese_Alliance
     
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    I think in this case the primary language would be German :grin: English would be forbidden in EU once the UK quits.
     
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    How many people in the EU speak German?
    Hmm not so many.

    I don't think they will ban the use of English in the EU, if they did, although everyone would get the memo, only the Germans would understand the memo.

    English is the language of money. International trade.
    And it is too late to retrain the population. They already share a common tongue and it is not yours and never will be. They will die before they allow yours to become so. As will I.

    @ Gaius
    There have been plenty of wars in my lifetime. A great many more that I have studied in school.
    Portugal has attended none of them.
    That is not an ally I value.
    Claim I owe them some historical allegiance if you like, but I feel none.
    They will not die for me, and I will not die for them. Not even if you link me to Wikipedia!
     
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    This is arrant rubbish! Tens of thousands of Poles, Czechs and others fought and died with the Allies during WW2. One Polish RAF squadron scored more kills than any other RAF squadron during the Battle of Britain. Try reading some military history before making a complete fool of yourself again. My father was one of those Poles who was highly decorated for his contribution during the Italian campaign; specifically the battle for Monte Cassino. The British showed their gratitude by gifting half of Poland to Stalin after the war and, to compound the insult, refused to allow the Polish forces to take part in the victory parade-for fear of upsetting Stalin! Betrayal isn't nice.
     
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    I can go only with those Poles who served at the Battle of Britain. Props to any Czechs that did the same.
    I have yet to see Poland declare war in our defence.
    I do however more associate the Czechs with wearing jackboots. Not to mention little red stars.

    It is however a disservice to equate those same Poles with the likes of the Canadians.
    The Poles that fought here didn't come to our defence as much as we provided them safe refuge. We came to theirs.
    The Canadians volunteered without self preservation. Different kettle of fish completely. They willingly jumped into the fire beside us.
    That decision was not taken for them by an aggressor. They treated us as their own kin.
    And to them I owe an honour debt I will simply never feel to Czech or Poland. Nor America, France or Spain.

    Commonwealth = allies of choice. My people.
    Everyone else = allies of convenience.

    Or... more to the point allies of inconvenience. Our liabilities as opposed to our enhanced strength.
    Just as our alliance with Poland so famously turned out to be.

    We never did save them. It was only our vanity that told us we ever could.
     
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    They didn't own it to gift.
    Stalin did as he pleased and no one could stop him.

    The Polish haven't always been on the losing end of the Russian stick. They had an Empire of their own once. One that conquered in Russia. One that owned Lithuania and Ukraine.
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    They have bad blood with each other. It predates Stalin and Hitler by a long long way.
    Poland has it's own long history of aggression with it's neighbours. As do we all.
     
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    You haven't got a clue. That much is obvious.

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    To compound your profound ignorance you seem completely oblivious to the Yalta Conference where Churchill, Roosevelt and Stalin met to decide the fate of post-war Europe-including the division of Poland. My family comes from what is now Ukraine but was Polish territory before WW2.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yalta_Conference
     
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    A conference in which Churchill was completely unable to tell Stalin what to do in Poland at.
    Churchill had no forces in Poland. No army capable of getting there.

    What difference to anyone what Churchill and Roosevelt said over Poland.
    Empty words hold no power over anything. Ask Neville Chamberlain.
     
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    What the hell are you talking about? Yalta was held in 1945; the war was all but won and ALL the major Allied powers had forces in Poland.
     
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    There's absolutely no point in continuing this. You have succeeded both in embarrassing yourself and exhibiting total ignorance of events during WW2. Have a great day.
     
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    ALL the major allied powers had forces in Poland?

    No mate. We only got as far as the Rhine. It was the Russians who took Berlin. Not us. They came through Poland to get there.
    They granted us a nominal piece of Berlin each in recognition of our armies parked nearby.
    Our forces were no more in Poland than Stalin's were in France.

    The two different Allied fronts, east and west, were fought by different actors.
     
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    Well, German is official language in Germany, Austria and Belgium. German banks are the biggest in the EU. Plus, Switzerland with all its advanced bank system speaks German. So
    I would not be surprized if they switch to German in the EU.

     
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    I would imagine - worst case - they would have to apply for a further visa [although it denied, they could be deported]
     
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    That depends on whether they want to limit their trade to just Germans, Austrians, Belgians and Swiss, instead of learning a trade language which works not only with the Germans, the Austrians and the Belgians, but also a few billion others.

    English is the world standard language. Be equipped to trade with all of the world or be equipped only to trade the German speaking bit. It's a no brainer. English is the first or second language of all countries, not just yours.

    English=the language of money.
    English=the language of international trade.

    German banks? They hire English speakers. They always will.
     

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