TIME/CNN Poll: 61% of American's won't give up civil liberties to fight terrorism

Discussion in 'Civil Liberties' started by Libertarian ForOur Future, May 7, 2013.

  1. Libertarian ForOur Future

    Libertarian ForOur Future New Member Past Donor

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    I say it's about time. We don't need to keep giving up our liberties, more government interference with our lives, all for the sake of given a false sense of security. It might be too little too late but I think the resistance is definitely about time. Obviously this is just one poll and probably insignificant in the grand scheme of things. However, I think it's definitely a broad stroke to the greater good this country needs to head into.

    Thoughts?
     
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    We can shoot the SOBs ourselves, which is a LIKELY DEVELOPMENT, if the islamist attacks continue.
     
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    We should stop handing out visas of muslims.

    That alone would make us less vulnerable to terrorism without infringing on the freedom of Americans.
     
  4. Libertarian ForOur Future

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    Well, I don't know if I would agree to that, but I do know that there have been reports that they knew of these folks. They even had their mother on the FBI's terrorist list. I think that should be talked about as well. If the whole point of the Patriot's Act is to ensure attacks like this don't happen and they had the information before hand, they didn't do their due diligence, in my eyes.

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    I'd rather be able to defend myself than continue to have my liberties taken from me. All for a false sense of security.
     
  5. CRUE CAB

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    Anyone who is willing to give up liberty for security, deserves neither.
     
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    Libertarian ForOur Future New Member Past Donor

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    Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin
     
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    Same here.

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    How true.
     
  8. stekim

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    It's curious that so many people who claim liberty over security vote for a party that clearly thinks the exact opposite.
     
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    They just voted for him because he was black, not his security policies.
     
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    Actually, my statement referred to both the Democrats and the Republicans. Hell, the GOP is titled more toward security than the Dems are (although both tilt that way).
     
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    Yes I was having the same thought. Which party was calling for the surviving Boston bomber to be treated as an enemy combatant, hence removing him from the opportunity of judicial process?
     
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    Yeah, right. " vote for A party", and you meant both.

    GOP it tilted more towards sacrificing civil rights of FOREIGNERS, while the dems sacrificing civil rights of citizens.
     
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    The Patriot act would beg otherwise
     
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    Well I did. Don't know what to tell you, Chief. Glad I could clear it up.

    All evidence to the contrary......
     
  15. CRUE CAB

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    So we should just surrender to the government?

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    Prove that.
     
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    I have no idea what you are talking about or why you are asking me.
     
  17. Libertarian ForOur Future

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    Both parties look to impose any legislation they can to give folks a sense of security. Thomas Sowell said it best that whenever policy makers wish to provide a fix for a problem, it's not a solution, it's a trade off. The question is, how much of a trade off are you willing to give?

    The reality is folks are beginning to realize that more of their freedoms & liberties are being taken from them, by their own government, than any terrorist could ever do. Case in point, it took someone to see the tarp on his boat all messed up to look inside to see the bomber in Boston. Mean while, the entire Boston police force had enacted martial law and was about to give up on the search. They gave up nearly all of their liberties & freedom, in one day, for a false sense of security when your average, everyday citizen figured out where the person was.

    You can claim this is a bit of a far fetched example, but I think you can at least agree that my point is still valid, nonetheless.
     
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    You seem to think we dont have liberty or should expect any from our current political parties.
     
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    Oh, I got you. That would be a more or less accurate statement. But the last thing I would ever do is surrender to those azzholes.
     
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    And, of course, increase the power of the state they run. Terrorism in a given year kills zero Americans here in the states. And even when it succeeds 99.99% of the population is totally unaffected. So it seems that the slow creep to a police state is a bit of an overreach.
     
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    Far smarter people than me have done that in spades
     
  22. Libertarian ForOur Future

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    Of course, anything to build on their power, they're all for. It's all in the name of keeping us safe & secure, what harm could it cause, right?
     
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    So you cant. You just parrot others. Good for you.
     
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    They will impact your life far more than a terrorist will. Not to mention that once you cross a certain line the terrorists win without having to blow anything up
     
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    No, most all the controversial provisions of the patriot act dealt with foreigners. While the Obama administration declares the right to kill americans on American soil.
     

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