Time to Make Untreated Mental Illness, Not Guns, Illegal

Mental illness should never be a excuse for bad actions, and failure to take necessary meds by those that have a history of being a danger to self or others without them warrants immediate incarceration.

The only reason the Left is not advocating for this is that the mentally ill are part of their entitled clientele, none of which they hold accountable for anything.

I do not wish to own anything I would not care to use or be responsible for, but I am grateful to those that take advantage of our right to bear arms and understand how it supports our other rights in the US.

 

How can you make mental illness illegal? That is the same thing as making breathing illegal.

If you don't understand what you are doing is wrong under US law you are not guilty of it.

Conservatives not liberals, as in Florida, are the ones opposed to spending money on the mentally ill.

 

I agree with your point on mental illness not being an excuse to hurt others. I'm concerned with the idea of incarcerating people who don't take their meds when they should though. This especially since sometimes the meds can cause worse problems than the mental illness.

 

The left is part of the entitled mentally ill clientele? That is hilarious considering we have a President who clearly suffers from Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

 

It used to be fairly straightforward to have someone committed (to an institution). There were sufficient institutions at that time, to allow this approach to the handling of mental illness in the community. We just didn't allow the practically disabled - practical as in unable to function like the rest of us - to be left to their own resources in the community.

Then we decided that a) crazy people have a magical right to never be offended, and b) institutions are expensive. With a) being what we told ourselves after realising b). As in, b) was the real reason, and a) was the excuse we made for closing institutions.

My own personal opinion on this is that families should be held financially responsible for the upkeep of the crazy people they produce - in all cases but neurological damage (via birth or accident) - with these latter to be govt funded. If you are going to raise batpoop kids, you must pay to keep them off the streets. Your choice.

 

Its not likely they will put people in mental homes as was common until the seventies. People value personal freedom too much and it cost too much..

 

It shouldn't be about meds. Meds were never a factor in committals, because it was understood that crazy people cannot be relied upon for such things.

 

See my post, above. It was always about the cost.

 

The issues, this was a major issue in the sixties, were complex and I know them only generally. It was not just about cost, it dealt with issues of freedom and those who wanted to get rid of homes for the mentally ill has an overly optimistic view of how well they could function in society. It was very much the optimistic, anti-government view common in the sixties.

 

We should never let the impetus "something has to be done" allow us to take away rights from anyone else. (undeservingly)

Once anyone's rights are imperiled, everyone's rights are imperiled. It becomes an extreme slippery slope if we're going to try to predict who's likely to commit a crime before they actually commit a crime, and then act on it.
Don't forget those communist regimes in Eastern Europe who were labeling their political opponents "mentally unfit" to lock them away.

 

Because someone who is mentally ill killed 17 students in Florida and killed 26 in CT a few years ago. Americans won't tolerate that forever.

 

Replace with the term "African American" and see how that sounds.

Have we started down that road of trying to divide the population into groups, and taking away the rights of some of them?

 

That has been done since the founding of America. Read your history!

 

It's not a right to murder other people, no matter how nuts you are. Society has a right to implement restraints where warranted--and without budget-conscious MH admins soft soaping the situation.

All closing down MH hospitals has done is turn our prisons into loony bins; hardly an improvement for anyone except prison predators.

 

The OP has a point.

I mean, Sandy Hook occurred because Adam Lanza's mother neglected to get him treatment for his obvious mental issues.

She also neglected to keep her guns out of reach of her mentally unstable son, so she was a failure as a parent, and as a gun owner.

 

Let's make being mentally ill illegal, that way no one can do it.

 

All he had to do was wait for her to open the safe and grab one. It doesn't mean she left them laying around.

Who's going to think their own child is going to shoot them?

 

And that's why rights are taken away from people who murder other people.
So I'm not exactly sure what your point was.

 

Okay i will play

Define "mental illness"

Is it feeling blue (depression)

Drug addiction (alcoholism)

Conspiracy thinking (paranoia)

Forgetfulness (dementia)

Please define what characteristics you would enact into legislation?

 

Good idea, btw probably not a good time right now, but I'd like to point out your president is mentally ill...what's the law say about possession of nuclear codes

 

And Las Vegas?
Charleston?

Trouble is that after the fact there is always clear evidence because you are primed to see it

 

And some very very high profile cases where people were locked away to be out of the way

 

I am pretty sure that there are many on the "left" who would like to take guns away from the mentally or emotionally ill who have violent tendencies. Isn't that less less severe than what you are proposing?

 

Gambling is a mental disease. That's what caused Paddock to go loony like a millennial snowflake.

It's all here -> https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/compulsive-gambling/symptoms-causes/syc-20355178