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Because of intolerance.

So you either get rid of intolerance (which we have been doing with great success in the last 10 years or so) or we engage in ethnic cleansing, gay conversion therapies, forceful relocation, ... What dictators like Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot... and many others attempted but proved to be a miserable failure.

 

And very little cultures are the same today as they were 100 yrs ago.
The only constant in life is change.

 

You don't even know what intolerance is, I suspect. You've been taught to think of it as a bad thing, but don't even understand what it is. And the very people telling you it's bad, are those who always site archly homogeneous cultures like those of Scandinavia, as examples of 'tolerance'. What you call intolerance, is what others call survival tactics. No social mammal species would have survived without 'intolerance'.

Besides, attempting to control what people 'tolerate' is EXACTLY what what those homogeneous cultures do ...... and you're not even picking that up. Talk about lack of self-awareness!

 

Irrelevant.

In the same place, at the same moment, they should be aligned. That's what produces social cohesion.

 

that was supposed to be "if it were . . ."

LOL, that's a unique approach.

But I can do both - stimulating conversation can be entertaining.

and your "facts" just happen to align exactly with LW agenda?

I agree; on professional boards things are different

keep working, another decade or so and you'll have it

 

Won’t work
Especially number three
The left has zero flexibility even when you agree with them on something

 

It' really hard to develop healthy relations with Barbarians at the Gate.

 

Yes! It means not tolerating diversity.

 

That is true.

"it takes two to tango"
"it takes one bad apple to spoil the whole barrel"
"No one can whistle a symphony. It takes a whole orchestra to play it."

 

This is not a conversation. These are political debates. A conversation is "How is the whether?". I don't think you realize how right-wingers are being manipulated by fake news to help turn this country away from Democracy and transform us into a fascist nation. These are not empty words. It HAS happened. Many times in history! And it happens mostly in countries where people say "that can't happen here".

I just happen to find facts and reality to be the best entertainment. But anybody who thinks it's the conversation, and not "getting things right" that is entertaining, they are falling into the hands of fascists.

I don't know what the LW "agenda" is. I just bring up the facts. I'll let you be the judge of what agenda facts align with. Be it LW or RW. I don't even bother checking. I just check the agenda of the candidates that want my vote, and choose the one that aligns better with facts. Mind you, none of them align 100%. But some do come closer than others.

 

It can also be very problematic when people continually offer up their opinions as though they are facts.

I'm not pointing any fingers but if the shoe fits lace that bad boy on up.

 

Did you happen to research toxic familial relationships? You know the ones where intereactions are so filled with toxic and abusive behavior, that counselors recommend no contact, an estrangement for the better emotional health of all parties? https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/...you-need-end-emotionally-abusive-relationship
1. Your children are being emotionally, physically or sexually abused by your partner.
2. You are witnessing the damage the emotional abuse is doing to your children.
3. You have become emotionally, physically or sexually abusive toward your children
4. You have reached a point where you are becoming physically abusive.
5. Your partner is physically abusing you or is threatening to do so
6. You have begun to fantasize about harming or killing your partner.
7. You are seriously questioning your sanity.

We are well passed the stage of trying to make this a healthier relationship. We are now looking for ways to escape the damage we are doing to each other and our children. These are inreconcilable differences and its time to head to divorce court. The Pacific United States of America (Washington, Oregon, California and Hawaii) is the solution here. We let the red states alone to do their thing, and they let us alone to do we do our thing.

 

Though I am in "total" agreement with you that this relationship is now one of abuse and of damage that is irreparable, the reality is that the the only option would be divorce/secession.

That is like going from a beating and rape to a stabbing and paralyzation. As such, attempts to fix the problem have to attempted until the stabbing begins.

 

I only counted 7 things, not 10. In any event, #3 is probably one of the biggest sticking points. Both sides seem to believe that "uniting the country" means the other side coming over to your side and accepting your views and then the country can be united. There is no giving ground or meeting in the middle. And, when it comes to elections, both sides seem to think that when you win 50.1% to 49.9%, that gives you a mandate to cram your values down the throats of those 49.9%, in other words, the losers. To the victor goes the spoils. Take abortion, for one example. The left absolutely refuse to accept that the issue is anything but a woman's rights while the right absolutely refuse to accept the issue as anything more than murdering an innocent life. Neither side accepts the other side's definition of the issue.

 

And you can spot that because they make wild unsubstantiated claims and refuse to provide references.

 

Once we stop believing in each others state elections, on which our entire future and every political aspiration depends, its too late. Who my President is depends on who in Arizona gets to count of its votes. Who controls my federal legislative branch and its agenda depends on who gets to vote in Florida. My access to my essential constitutional rights depends on a judiciary that now is connected to how long those poll lines in Austin Texas get. My right to my marriage, and my daughters reproductive rights are now handcuffed to Michigan's decision on who gets to certify the election results in Eaten County.

If we no longer share a love of democratic values across this country, if political tribalism is to be protected at the expense of self determination and respect for the one man/one vote principle, we cannot function as a unified nation. It is only a matter of time before these state capital building and county election offices across this country see the same scene we saw on January 6. Its better to separate now.

 

It’s hardly surprising that you would delete almost all of my comment. I’ve noticed on this forum this is a common tactic of the left leaning members (some more than others) but the inability of dealing with comments or ideas that conflict with yours is also typical of the left leaning members so…no surprise.

More troubling was this comment of yours, “Assuming the conclusion is true (and I don't know either way), it left two choices: either eliminate diversity or eliminate intolerance. “

For someone who bleats incessantly about “fascism” on this forum, that’s rather eye-opening totalitarian talk. If you come at any social issue from the perspective that there are only “two choices” and either choice includes the word “eliminate,” that’s rather chilling.

Chilling but not surprising. There are multiple degrees and ways of dealing with social problems, it’s not simply a binary, which is ironic that you don’t believe in binary gender but do believe in binary answers to complex issues!

But first of all, you can’t limit your acceptance of a conclusion based solely on your limited perspective of how to handle the issue. Otherwise, you’re simply an ideologue masking as someone who pretends to objectively weigh facts and data but really has your conclusions already preloaded, regardless of facts and data.


You’ve basically committed to do the opposite of the OP. That’s fine, but why are you even in this thread?

 

Sorry the forum does operate on The Gospel According to Golem

I realize a lot of left wingers have swallow the crap their superiors are spooning from the sewers into their brains.

Sounds quite a bit like I said.

What a load of nonsense.

Mostly you bring up LW agenda, slogans, and mantras, facts are usually incidental.

As do I. I used to be a devoted Democrat - I voted for Carter TWICE. But I came to realize Dems were spouting enticing slogans to gain more and more power over people; NOT, as the claimed, to make our lives better.

 

Integrating schools has been an abysmal failure. If you cared about facts you would know this.

Here is an article about how progressive white parents undermine integration in NYC

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/21/nyregion/school-integration-progressives.html

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And here is an article about the failure of integration in general

https://www.americanprogress.org/article/the-failures-of-integration/

 

We "swallow" this from TRUMP. It's Trump who publicly staged an insurrection to perpetuate himself in power. And other people doing EXACTLY what Trump was doing before he attempted his failed coup. And they're using the people that don't take what TRUMP says seriously to replace democracy with a fascist regime.

I don't have to listen to any left winger. All I need to do is listen to Trump and the rest of his minions

And this is what I have been referring to. You are entitled to your own opinions. But you are not entitled to your own facts. And what Trump attempted to do are FACTS. It's your opinion if you prefer an authoritarian regime rather than a democracy. But it's a fact that Trump attempted to forcefully perpetuate himself in power. For heaven's sake, he did it publicly!. And it's also a fact that others are following his playbook. And they're not even bothering to hide it.

 

So much for your reverence for "facts".

Totally fact free. Well done.

Sheer nonsense. Any claim to "following facts" or impartial analysis are totally decimated. The post is laughable, in a pitiful way.

 

Anybody who undermines integration is intolerant.

All this is a childish discussion. I asked questions about HOW, in the real world, you expected this could be done. You were unable to answer them. We KNOW how to get rid of intolerance. Not easy, but it can be done. You don't even know yourself how to get rid of people with "unacceptable" (to you) characteristics. The rest is moot.

 

Seems to me you haven't got rid of intolerance at all. White parents don't want their children going to school with black children. White people don't want to live next to black people.

You haven't gotten rid of intolerance, you have just increased hypocrisy.

 

And if the intolerant parents wouldn't intervene, the kids themselves wouldn't care less who they go to school with. That's intolerance. Of course we haven't gotten rid of intolerance. All you need is read this debate to know that. A lot of posters here thinking that it's possible to create white schools, black schools, Asian schools, Hispanic schools, Jewish schools, Catholic schools, Fundamentalist Baptist schools, .... and one of each for males females, gays, transgenders....

At so many levels is this whole discussion beyond childish... We are all engaging (including myself for participating in it) in pure intellectual masturbation... There is nothing even close to reality involved here. Except for the refusal to rid society of intolerance. That part is hard reality.

 

Clearly you have little or no experience living with Latino's They don't integrate with whites, blacks or Asians! Hell Mexican families I know well, won't even let their children play with other south American children and Vis versa!

Integration, laughable concept! Like mined people are simply more comfortable around each other..

Once again, not all the fact!
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